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[–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I live in a very, very rural part of the country. Land is CHEAP; you can buy 100+ acres of forest for under $2000/acre. There are a lot of vacant houses. Why? Because no one wants to live here. (Obviously not no one, since I chose to move here, but still.) There aren't jobs locally; part of the price I pay for living where I want to live is spending 3+ hours in a car commuting each day. The vacant houses are vacant because the people that lived there either died, or moved because they couldn't get work. They're not vacant because some venture capital real estate company is buying up rural homes just to hold on to them as they rot away.

The issue isn't vacant housing; the issue is where the housing is, and whether it's actually habitable or not.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Can you live on that land without having to pay taxes or anything?

Because in my country, any cheap land in a place with no employment isn't viable due to needing employment to maintain 'ownership' of the land through fees to the state.

Also even if the issue is location, there is huge amounts of abandoned empty housing in cities with jobs. Squatters are constantly trying to live in such places and getting chased out by cops.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 3 points 2 hours ago

It's fueled by greed and the desire to control others.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 hours ago

how much food gets thrown away just because it isn't picturesque?

I've tried growing tomatoes, and bub let me tell you, they look nothing like the pristine samples you find in grocery stores

[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I hate it here. We have answers to all of life's problems, and yet we humans continue to choose the hard way.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Because the rich will lose profits, greed is the corruption we deal with. Enough is never enough.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 points 5 hours ago

It’s infuriating because we out number them to such a scale that it’s not funny, but so many of us are trapped into the system that they would never dare do anything about it.

[–] Saprophyte@lemmy.world 12 points 12 hours ago

https://www.misfitsmarket.com/

Buy food that was rejected because of its appearance. It's super cheap, it slows food waste, and it helps out a small company.

[–] solidheron@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

We should be intercepting the landfill

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 11 points 19 hours ago

What’s also weird is that if you want to get rid of perfectly good things nobody wants it or anyplace that might be able to use it makes it prohibitively difficult to get it to them. Got a functional fridge? Sure, you haul it out of your house, rent a truck, take it to the receiver - oh, and it can’t be more than 10 years old.

I find these posts that complain about waste kinda performative. While they’re not wrong, they ignore the logistical issues, both deliberate and indirect, of getting those things to the people that actually need them.

FWIW I’ve found that putting a “curb alert” for free good items with pictures and a location works pretty well. Some industrious person will usually pick something decent up 75% of the time.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

Capitalism working as designed

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 95 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

The liars who pushed “there isn’t enough for everyone” aren’t pushing it much anymore. They’ve moved on to saying “not everyone deserves basic human needs”—which is what they really thought all along.

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 1 day ago (9 children)

If you cannot pay for it, you don't deserve it. The basic tenet of capitalism.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Because the two thousand child raping and killing men who rule over us have deemed it so

We produce enough food to feed everyone, it's just that it's not profitable to do so because the rich are greedy ghouls.

[–] for_some_delta@beehaw.org 3 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

The abundence argument seems written by people who do not produce anything.

I don't think abundence arguments help the left. I raise fruit. I lose fruit to animals and weather. There is variability in the amount of fruit I produce. I often produce more than I can consume, but the logistics of getting the fruit to someone else doesn't work out and the fruit rots. Some years I lose my fruit blossoms to frost.

I have family that work potatoes for a commercial operation. There were a bunch of potatoes that were too big to sell commercially. The operation left the potatoes to rot in the field. My relative bagged potatoes and brought them to family in the old gift economy fashion.

What is the abundence economy argument really about? Are you going to buy bird pecked fruit or C'thulu looking potatoes? Country folk trim off the bad spots. City folk often haven't gotten their hands dirty.

I'm all for anarchy and communism. That means doing some real work and not just reaping the surpluses of capitalism. Chop some wood, it'll do you good and be a good neighbor.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 17 hours ago

Yeah, you want waste in the food system.

If you don't have waste in a good year, you'll have famine in a bad year.

[–] for_some_delta@beehaw.org 2 points 23 hours ago

I have read some more comments. Looks like food pantries are mentioned which is further down the supply chain. Yes, canning and nitrogen warehouses exists. That is more infrastructure. I would assume all land and infrastructure is ideally community owned and operated.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Capitalism depends on violence and deprivation to keep labor desperate and exploitable.

[–] obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip -2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

These thimble deep hot takes are annoying.

Is there waste in the system... Yeah. It's also worth noting there has never been a zero waste supply chain or distribution system under any economic system or government.

Centrallia PA had a lot of vacant houses for years. 500+ over about 4 decades. Nobody seemed to want them on account of the giant underground coal fire randomly collapsing the terrain and spewing toxic gasses. What a waste of good housing am I right?

Or check out some of the offerings around Amboy CA. You can get a vacant house and 5 acres in twenty nine palms for 18 grand.

https://www.trulia.com/home/78701-ramona-dr-twentynine-palms-ca-92277-299170461

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

These reactionary takes are annoying.

We can do better and make new systems that have less waste and benefit more people equally.

[–] obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip -1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

Great. So do it. Don't talk about it be about it.

But that's not what this meme is about. Spouting context free statistics to pretend there's an evil conspiracy is just tin foil hat shit that serves no one.

I'd love it if I could always find someone who wants to finish the last half of my fried rice before it dries out in the fridge, but a food bank won't take half eaten food. The distribution system exists, the soon to be wasted food has a willing donor. But there are practical limitations that generate millions of pounds of wasted food that have no basis in greed or Ill will.

This is a moral superiority circle jerk. "Look at us. We get it. Waste bad. Efficiency good. Helping others good." Groundbreaking shit. It's a shame no one's thought of this before.

Which people do you want to put in what a vacant home? Who gets to decide? How do we relocate them? Do they have a say in this? What do they do once they're there? What do we do if they won't relocate? Show me a reasonable policy document you want passed that addresses any of this shit... I'll personally write my congressman and senator about it. I'll donate time and money to the cause.

[–] Gabadabs@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago

It's wild to see the assumption that just because somebody makes a meme about a topic means that they don't actively participate in trying to better our system. Namely because so much of the waste we're talking about isn't your half eaten fried rice, and the example you provided about housing is but one example of vacant homes. There are so many vacant homes on the market that are perfectly suitable to live in, but we live in an economic system where housing is denied unless you can pay for it. Which means so many of us are at the whims of the real estate market and the people who profit off trying to make their property as valuable as possible. That's the thing, it's not necessarily about intentional ill will, but the side effects of things that seem like perfectly reasonable justifiable decisions. Throwing away food because it's cheaper to do so, leaving suitable houses empty for decades because it's cheaper to do so, manufacturing millions of dollars of cheap electronics that are going to go to waste because getting people to buy the new thing is profitable. I think it would be totally possible for us to build manufactured housing at scale, using our tax dollars, and when a person wants to live independently they can apply and receive a home at no cost to them. It would be totally possible for us to manufacture devices that are intended to be maintained and used long term, generating less waste. But when everything is built around making money, this all goes out the window.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 8 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

There isn’t an evil conspiracy, there is capitalism.

[–] obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip -1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes. And socialism. And communism. And feudalism.

Instead of doing the captain obvious bit, point me towards the -ism that fixes inefficiency, food spoilage, lopsided real estate demand, while respecting basic human rights and public safety. Cuz I'm in.

Hold the memes and show me the solution.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

Anarchism.

If you don’t want to learn about it from memes, go do some hard reading. https://theanarchistlibrary.org/special/index

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz -1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Anarchism

"I'm twelve and this is deep" kind of take.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 3 points 12 hours ago

"I'm a dumbarse and don't know what anarchism is" kind of take.

[–] obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

See how easy it would have been to start there?

There are vacant homes so if there was anarchy... People would identify and relocate to those vacant homes... By some means.

Or "if it wasn't for this damned government, I wouldn't be throwing away carrot skins and old leftovers, I'd be making vegetable stock and unregulated penicillin with them".

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

More like if it wasn’t for this system, we wouldn’t be wasting 300,000 potatoes to make packets of chips that went into the bin when they didn’t sell compared to the more advertised brand.

More like if it wasn’t for this system, my toaster wouldn’t conveniently break 2 weeks out of warranty, and I would have a right to repair it myself.

More like if it wasn’t for this system this empty house with squatters wouldn’t be evicted and left empty again.

[–] obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 hours ago

Okay so we're going to overlook the waist created by 350 million consumers disposing of unconsumed food products and focus on 150,000 lb more or less of product produced by the potato chip industry.

Odd choice but let's start there and with actionable items. We get rid of consumer choice and advertising. Presumably we've now reduced potato production to the exact demand required for chips. So they're not wasted.

How does that help anybody?

Are we reallocating that farmland to a more productive crop? Who's in charge of that? How is it managed? I'm told anarchy is the fix but I don't see how anarchy tackles this specific potato chip issue.

And under what system do we have zero waste potato production?

[–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The storage unit business is still booming, growing at over 7% annually in NA.
We have so much shit we have to rent units offsite to store our shit.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 19 hours ago

and there are legit hoarders, i know someone that is.

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