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[–] Dogiedog64@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago
[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 57 points 15 hours ago

gives me this vibe, just replace erdogan with trump and turkey with, you know, the US

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 95 points 17 hours ago (8 children)

Savvy countries will discover there’s a way to mitigate the harm incurred by Trump’s tariffs

They already have. It takes 1.5 to 2 years for trade deals to be negotiated and then put into effect. In the coming years when these deals take effect, and trade is routing itself around the US as much as possible rather than through it, people in the US are going to learn a very difficult economic lesson.

On the plus side, maybe the notion of American Exceptionalism will diminish a bit, which is long overdue.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 8 points 7 hours ago

On the plus side, maybe the notion of American Exceptionalism will diminish a bit, which is long overdue.

Hope is a powerful thing, and I fervently hope so!

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

As an American, I can't wait for the lessons learned and the death to American Exceptionalism. I look forward to reaping everything we've sowed due to our shitty actions (or complete lack of action).

But also as an American I am bitter and don't believe for a second that the 60-70% of people here that need to learn a lesson, will actually learn a lesson. I no longer believe things will change for the better within my lifetime. It sucks.

[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 13 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

When you are too old to leave the country because you are too invested, not old enough to be dead before it gets really bad. So living through the next 40 years is going to be fucking grueling.

[–] shane@feddit.nl 2 points 1 hour ago

Kind of like elderly people in eastern Europe after the fall of the Soviet Union?

[–] shane@feddit.nl 1 points 1 hour ago

Kind of like elderly people in eastern Europe after the fall of the Soviet Union?

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 14 points 11 hours ago

I no longer believe things will change for the better within my lifetime.

Funny. That was sort of the subject of a YT video I made today. Basically the whole of my working life has corresponded to the decline of economic liberty for the working class and working poor, so I don't really celebrate New Years. I expect every year to be worse than the one before.

[–] teft@piefed.social 40 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

people in the US are going to learn a very difficult economic lesson.

And they will all blame whichever Dem happens to be in the white house because they all have the memories of goldfish.

[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Left and right will all blame everyone but themselves. Anything to not put in their own work or take current matters at hand.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago

Left and right will all blame everyone but themselves. Anything to not put in their own work or take current matters at hand.

both sides are the same lol.

get fucked. one tried to give us single payer insurance, you know, like a real country. the other gave us a child molester rapist con man and then let his cult followers smear shit in the capitol.

both sides are the same goddamn it's so fucking ridiculous get fucked with a jackhammer

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 27 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Not if said Dem actually does something about it. (Unlikely)

Problem is that, if we elect a Democrat, it will be a fabulously wealthy person with no empathy or understanding of the working class and working poor, so the likelihood that they will do anything about it is minimal. Remember when Obama had the balls to walk into Flint, pretend to drink a glass of water, and tell all of those people whose water had been poisoned that everything was a-okay? That's what I mean. Zero empathy.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 20 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (6 children)

More importantly, the last dem expanded on Trump pt I's tarriffs.

Unless the next candidate acknowledges this, why would voters have any faith that candidate won't be another Biden?

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[–] Sine_Fine_Belli@lemmy.world 10 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

In my honest opinion, American exceptionalism should be dead and buried 6 feet under. And American patriotism and the American Dream should be revisited and revised and reformed

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[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 29 points 15 hours ago

Will soon begin? My brother in Christ, it's begun at least 20 years ago.

[–] hitstun@feddit.online 54 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

This article is saying other countries should repeal their equivalents to the DMCA's anti-curcumvention, just like Cory Doctorow says, and I agree too. The whole reason those counties passed DMCA-like laws was that we threatened to tariff them if they don't. Well, now we're tariffing them anyway. We're no longer holding up our end of the bargain, and neither should anyone else.

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 27 points 17 hours ago (14 children)

This shit wouldn't be happening if Kamala had won.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

We don't want to be dependent of your shitty country

[–] teft@piefed.social 34 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

America has been on the decline for 20 years at least. The turnip in charge has accelerated the decline via tariffs but we'd just be moving slower towards the drain with Kamala in charge. She wasn't exactly campaigning on large changes to the economy.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 9 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Since 1981 the large decline began. Like 80% of bad policies and shitting on the working class in america can be traced back to the 80s.. I wonder what happened then.

Kamala would just have been a party line corporate puppet like Obama 2.0. But undoubtedly 100x better than trump.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 3 points 8 hours ago

Like 80% of bad policies and shitting on the working class in america can be traced back to the 80s… I wonder what happened then.

Rotten Ronnie Regan.

[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Drugs and crime.

Giuliani didnt clean up nyc... He called a favor and made it quiet then got used for this current American coup until he wasn't needed and got kicked to the curb. Trump is probably in the same position. He's tool, not a mastermind... His life right now is his the payment of a debt and when he is done being used he will be kicked to curb as well.

The more I learned about mafia life and authentic career and organized crime the more America makes sense.

Epstein didn't get fucked over because of what he was doing, he was fucked over for what he knows and the loose ends started to unravel.

Understand crime and things make sense.

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