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[–] Interstellar_1@lemmy.blahaj.zone 244 points 1 day ago (28 children)

I think a lot of people don't know any of the controversy related to brave and just use it because they know it as the most private chromium browser

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 196 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Marketing has really worked for Brave.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 57 points 1 day ago

That is the sad state of the world. Mass manipulating sentiment like some commercial psyop is a built in "feature" of the system.

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[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 114 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

I know of the controversies, I just don't think they're all that big when you actually examine them.

Homophobia

I'm part of the LGBT community and I just think there are bigger fish to fry. One of the guys involved made a $1k donation to an anti-prop 8 campaign like 15 years ago. That's it. That's the controversy. Like, yea it's shitty, but there was a lot more hate toward the community back then. People have grown and changed their views a lot in the years since. If we boycott every single company or individual who ever did anything even remotely homophobic, no matter their actions since, we'd essentially have to be living in a commune growing and making literally everything ourselves. Btw, this same guy is the one who developed JavaScript and I don't see even remotely the same level of hate for that, so it really feels like people are just being selectively upset.

Cryptocurrency

It's opt-in. It asks you once, and then never again. It was developed at a time when crypto was popular and was a feature people wanted. It was seen as a good thing when it first came out. Public opinion on crypto has soured, but plenty of people who wanted it still use the feature on brave. They have no good reason to scrap it. Especially because, again, it's opt-in only. Don't like it? Cool, don't use it. They aren't pushing it on you. But people hear the word crypto and immediately break out the pitchforks.

Do you even know what the goal of their cryptocurrency was? I think it's safe to say its failed at this point, but the goal was to completely rework how ads function on the internet. It would have killed the modern advertisement methods where ads are shoved in your face and you get nothing for it. Instead, it would have directly paid you a tiny amount any time you saw an ad, with you being able to choose how many you saw, or even if you saw any at all. Then you'd either be able to either keep the money for yourself, or donate it to websites/content creators of your choice. Take away the crypto part of it, and that's actually a pretty admirable goal in my book.

Ad affiliate links

Brave's biggest, actual, controversy is that they replaced some affiliate links with their own. Specifically links to binance.us, which is a crypto market. When it was found, Brave changed their code extremely quickly and claimed it was a bug. Now, companies have often lied through their teeth and claimed malicious actions were a "mistake" or a "bug", so maybe that is the same case here. But considering it was one site only, it was fixed almost immediately, and when you look at how it was actually replacing links (suggested auto fill in the address bar, pulled from browsing history) I am leaning toward it actually being unintentional.

Conclusion

I think people just like to hate things, and will find any reason to continue to do so as long as their little corner of the internet tells them they should hate it. People most vocal with their complaints rarely take the time to dig into the facts and see if it's really as bad as they claim; or they fully know it's not as bad, but never want to let the truth get in the way of a good ol' fashion, hate-boner, circle-jerk.

Is Brave the best browser? Hahahaha no. It's still a chromium fork and has been a little too eager to integrate AI in my opinion. But it's FAR from the worst and is the probably the best privacy focused browser for those that don't understand technology and struggle to use third-party ad-ons. It's just a little ridiculous that while there are legitimate things to complain about, most people's arguments seem to always stem from the 3 topics above.

Now cue the downvotes because I'm clearly some crypto fascist boot-licker for daring to believe "nuance" isn't a made up word.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

A couple points: Brendan Eich, the one that made the prop-8 donation, is the current CEO of Brave, not just "one of the guys involved". In a related problem, I find it a little difficult to believe that someone who doesn't still hold their anti-gay views would be quite so eager to take cash from Peter Thiel (via his Firm Founder Fund) and I especially do not want to be involved with a browser supported by Thiel when the terms of his investment are private (like, does he have access to brave's user data? We'd like to think no, but boy are they shaking hands with the devil while asking us to trust them.)

Another big piece of criticism that was excluded: Brave created a bunch of profiles for content creators without telling them then used those to solicit donations on behalf of those content creators, then not only refused to refund users who were deceived they kept all the money they said would go to the content creators.

I think people just like to hate things, and will find any reason to continue to do so as long as their little corner of the internet tells them they should hate it.

Trying to present aspects of this as overblown is possibly true - their affiliate link scam was just to binance.us and that gets left out of a lot of this, but at the same time that's a damned difficult thing to sell as just having been a mistake when it was auto-replacing the links to something they were the beneficiaries of.

Btw, this same guy is the one who developed JavaScript and I don’t see even remotely the same level of hate for that, so it really feels like people are just being selectively upset.

Well sure, but he's not actively the CEO of javascript, and as far as I'm aware hasn't ever been involved with javascript since it was rolled into the OpenJS Foundation.

(Also: Brendan Eich shared a bunch of covid conspiracy theory / misinformation stuff. Sure that's a minor point, absolutely everyone sure was doing that back then and why should we judge, but still it's not a great look.)

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[–] fizzle@quokk.au 36 points 1 day ago

Wow this is so... sane.

Being childish and reductive I wanted to downvote anything supporting Brave, but I find you've challenged my views on this.

That said, I think I'm just going to re-frame my dislike for Brave users by assuming they're all crypto-weirdos.

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[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 52 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (16 children)

Which it isn't, and also Chromium sucks, so they're really just mag dumping into their foot

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[–] v3r4@lemmy.org 8 points 1 day ago (13 children)

Any alternative on iOS and android? Can't find any good one.. And I'm a GOS user very privacy aware but honestly brave is the only browser I know that blocks ads

[–] PsycyTuna@feddit.nl 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] farsinuce@feddit.dk 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)
[–] PsycyTuna@feddit.nl 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Mullvad isn't available on Android or iOS sadly

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[–] cambodia@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago

Safari on iOS with the Ublock Origin extension?

[–] _Nico198X_@europe.pub 5 points 23 hours ago

Iron Fox.

Vanadium.

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[–] MashedTech@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I think the only real solution to protect ourselves is to stop using any browsers.

[–] Sadbutdru@sopuli.xyz 1 points 17 hours ago

What would that look like, do you think? In terms of how people would fulfil or replace those web activities?

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[–] TerranFenrir@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I used to use brave when I just started becoming privacy aware. Here are the reasons why:

  • it's chromium based. I loved the way chromium based browsers looked, especially when compared to Firefox. They had a comforting feel to them, whereas Firefox had a very "office-ey" feel to it.
  • I wasn't aware of the issues of chromium dominating the market share that it does and how monopolization in this manner can be harmful.
  • I wasn't aware of the people behind brave.
  • I had seen older people use Firefox (with the default UI, which I didn't like). That's why, I associated Firefox with "old and outdated". I hadn't seen anyone use brave, and it looked quite good at the time for me.

Now, I use Mercury, a Firefox fork (ikik, it hasn't seen an update in a long time, shush). I've loaded it up with my custom CSS, so its appearance is exactly the way I like.

[–] umbrellacloud@leminal.space 5 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I personally disagree with homophobia but setting that entirely aside, Brave browser sucks, all the cool kids like Vivaldi now, and they're right

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[–] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Too many times people who have been monitoring or are deep in a field overestimate how much knowledge an average person or even newly interested person has in the same field (oh hey, there's an xkcd about that!).

People scoffing at anyone who thought Elon Musk was just a meme a nerd CEO before the cave thing, people who expect everyone to know who is running every browser, OS, or other company, and lots of other minor things they think should be common knowledge, when at the time it was something only someone invested in the overall field or someone who knew how search much better than the average person.

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[–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 61 points 1 day ago (1 children)

*which is also still chrome

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[–] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 88 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Not just that, it's that Brave has this cult-like following for being out-of-the-box, Fisher Price My First Privacy Browser^TM^ easy to use.

Oh.....oh, hey, Apple, I'm sorry, I didn't see you there.

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[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sadly some of it is that the folks at Brave are very good at burying their bad reputation under marketing

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[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 62 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I use Netscape Navigator like a real keyboard cowboy!

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[–] miridius@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Personally as long as I'm not contributing to their wealth in some way I don't think it really matters what the CEO of the company that makes a product does. I'm mostly just going to use the best product for me. Now there is an argument that simply by using it I'm contributing to their usage numbers which helps them, and that's definitely true for social media platforms because of the network effect (which is why I stay off of the corporate ones), but it's less true of other products. In fact if i use an ad-supported product but block the ads I'm likely costing them more than I am a benefit.

It's also a spectrum rather than black and white: every medium or larger tech company, especially if american due to the deregulated and in many cases openly corrupt capitalism, is going to do evil things for profit and be both run and owned by evil people/corporations. But their level of danger to global society varies. Musk is extremely dangerous because of his active campaign to bring fascism and nationalism to power in Europe, which is why x.com is blocked in my house at a DNS level. Other billionaires are dangerous too but they're not all equal.

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