Which is why I moved on to Helium... which probably like all other browsers have downsides, some political.
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Careful. Trying to sell Brave as a homophobe web browser won't hurt it like you guys think.
I could care less about the personal beliefs of the creator if the product works as intended, especially if funding the creator is optional
Persistent and unavoidable ads are the reason I don’t use original Firefox, so it’s the reason I don’t use Brave anymore. There were other issues too, and although it’s supposedly open source, the Palantir connection is shadier than their Prop 8 connection, which I don’t even consider that relevant since it was so long ago
Persistent and unavoidable ads are the reason I don’t use original Firefox
Why are you not using uBlock Origin?
No, I mean the ads which are permanently pinned to the startpage. Of course I use uBlock Origin with Firefox forks, as most people do, but that doesn't prevent the pinned ads from appearing in the startpage, at least not for me.
Why don't|you set it to open new tabs with a blank page? I have that as my setting and I forgot there were even ads on the start page.
Yeah, I guess I could do that, but aside from that, it is resource-intensive compared to forks.
Firefox does have ads on by default for the startpage, but they can be turned off in the settings in a fairly easy and obvious way. So even as obnoxious and demoralising ads, I don't think it is fair to say these ones are "persistent and unavoidable". (It's not easy to remove the Firefox logo from the new tab page, and that annoys me, but I wouldn't call it an ad.)
Well, I'm dumb and lazy, I don't want to have to do a bunch of shit I guess.
Same reason they used Chrome. “What else is there?”
Software discoverability is kind of bad these days, and getting worse.
Ive found alternativeto.net pretty useful.
In the past, I’d classify that as SEO spam, but it has become kinda useful now that the rest of the internet has deteriorated so much.
The first place I usually search is GitHub, or open source app repos. Or niche communities that might be into the particular software ecosystem.
I only stopped using Firefox when an update broke GPU acceleration on my PC. Would be happy to switch back if it gets fixed, but it seems they're more interested in adding AI slop, which doesn't bode well for the last bastion of anti-Google monopoly resistance. 🤷
They have said they're adding an off switch for all their AI stuff in Q1 next year. We'll see how well it works, though.
I'm hoping something happens with Ladybird eventually, but who knows ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I will say the Ladybird leader Andreas Kling doesn't have the best politics either, but it's definitely preferable to Brave. I'm excited for Servo as well, since it's finally been revived after getting dumped by Mozilla. It seems more technically interesting me too, beyond just being "another browser". For the next year or two Zen Browser is going to remain my go-to, though.
Peter Theil is the primary investor in Brave.
For those not in the know, Peter Theil is a MAGA Christian-Nationalist fascist, and owner of Palantir.
Palantir, is the military industrial complex company Trump has entrusted to create a mass surveillance network on US citizens, completely against the 4th Amendment, and dwarfing the NSA spying that was exposed by Snowden.
You can garuntee any activity you do in Brave is being tracked and sent to that network.
I used brave for a while, I got 10$ I also got 10$ from Honey, apparently only scams give me anything
Chromium based browsers have no cookie isolation like FF with multi account containers. They recommend Profiles but a separate window eats way more RAM and the experience is just much worse. I use Zen
I think a lot of people don't know any of the controversy related to brave and just use it because they know it as the most private chromium browser
I know of the controversies, I just don't think they're all that big when you actually examine them.
Homophobia
I'm part of the LGBT community and I just think there are bigger fish to fry. One of the guys involved made a $1k donation to an anti-prop 8 campaign like 15 years ago. That's it. That's the controversy. Like, yea it's shitty, but there was a lot more hate toward the community back then. People have grown and changed their views a lot in the years since. If we boycott every single company or individual who ever did anything even remotely homophobic, no matter their actions since, we'd essentially have to be living in a commune growing and making literally everything ourselves. Btw, this same guy is the one who developed JavaScript and I don't see even remotely the same level of hate for that, so it really feels like people are just being selectively upset.
Cryptocurrency
It's opt-in. It asks you once, and then never again. It was developed at a time when crypto was popular and was a feature people wanted. It was seen as a good thing when it first came out. Public opinion on crypto has soured, but plenty of people who wanted it still use the feature on brave. They have no good reason to scrap it. Especially because, again, it's opt-in only. Don't like it? Cool, don't use it. They aren't pushing it on you. But people hear the word crypto and immediately break out the pitchforks.
Do you even know what the goal of their cryptocurrency was? I think it's safe to say its failed at this point, but the goal was to completely rework how ads function on the internet. It would have killed the modern advertisement methods where ads are shoved in your face and you get nothing for it. Instead, it would have directly paid you a tiny amount any time you saw an ad, with you being able to choose how many you saw, or even if you saw any at all. Then you'd either be able to either keep the money for yourself, or donate it to websites/content creators of your choice. Take away the crypto part of it, and that's actually a pretty admirable goal in my book.
Ad affiliate links
Brave's biggest, actual, controversy is that they replaced some affiliate links with their own. Specifically links to binance.us, which is a crypto market. When it was found, Brave changed their code extremely quickly and claimed it was a bug. Now, companies have often lied through their teeth and claimed malicious actions were a "mistake" or a "bug", so maybe that is the same case here. But considering it was one site only, it was fixed almost immediately, and when you look at how it was actually replacing links (suggested auto fill in the address bar, pulled from browsing history) I am leaning toward it actually being unintentional.
Conclusion
I think people just like to hate things, and will find any reason to continue to do so as long as their little corner of the internet tells them they should hate it. People most vocal with their complaints rarely take the time to dig into the facts and see if it's really as bad as they claim; or they fully know it's not as bad, but never want to let the truth get in the way of a good ol' fashion, hate-boner, circle-jerk.
Is Brave the best browser? Hahahaha no. It's still a chromium fork and has been a little too eager to integrate AI in my opinion. But it's FAR from the worst and is the probably the best privacy focused browser for those that don't understand technology and struggle to use third-party ad-ons. It's just a little ridiculous that while there are legitimate things to complain about, most people's arguments seem to always stem from the 3 topics above.
Now cue the downvotes because I'm clearly some crypto fascist boot-licker for daring to believe "nuance" isn't a made up word.
A couple points: Brendan Eich, the one that made the prop-8 donation, is the current CEO of Brave, not just "one of the guys involved". In a related problem, I find it a little difficult to believe that someone who doesn't still hold their anti-gay views would be quite so eager to take cash from Peter Thiel (via his Firm Founder Fund) and I especially do not want to be involved with a browser supported by Thiel when the terms of his investment are private (like, does he have access to brave's user data? We'd like to think no, but boy are they shaking hands with the devil while asking us to trust them.)
Another big piece of criticism that was excluded: Brave created a bunch of profiles for content creators without telling them then used those to solicit donations on behalf of those content creators, then not only refused to refund users who were deceived they kept all the money they said would go to the content creators.
I think people just like to hate things, and will find any reason to continue to do so as long as their little corner of the internet tells them they should hate it.
Trying to present aspects of this as overblown is possibly true - their affiliate link scam was just to binance.us and that gets left out of a lot of this, but at the same time that's a damned difficult thing to sell as just having been a mistake when it was auto-replacing the links to something they were the beneficiaries of.
Btw, this same guy is the one who developed JavaScript and I don’t see even remotely the same level of hate for that, so it really feels like people are just being selectively upset.
Well sure, but he's not actively the CEO of javascript, and as far as I'm aware hasn't ever been involved with javascript since it was rolled into the OpenJS Foundation.
(Also: Brendan Eich shared a bunch of covid conspiracy theory / misinformation stuff. Sure that's a minor point, absolutely everyone sure was doing that back then and why should we judge, but still it's not a great look.)