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It's something I struggle with. Some bad news comes out about some public persona doing something shitty and they get cancelled. But sometimes I really struggle with giving up the things they've made because I like them. There are also occasions where the person has been accused of something and it doesn't seem true to me, or I think they're genuinely sorry and have been punished enough, and the context isn't being considered.

What do you think? Who do you feel conflicted about enjoying?

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[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

After being burned by a dozen creators, I find it safer for my own emotional well-being to just assume all things beautiful and evocative are made by someone who is secretly a terrible person.

Saves me from the disappointment of finding out later.

I'm constantly surprised when it turns out someone famous isn't getting up to some bad shit.

[–] bystander@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

My baseline is that everyone's human, and we come in an rainbow of dispositions. Humans who create valuable cultural assets or are in the public eye are still just human. Never idolize anyone.

[–] cyberwitch@reddthat.com 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The weird thing is that Kanye's continual digging through the bedrock has made his art that much more poignant to me. Man went and made himself a Greek tragedy. "Run Away" indeed.

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[–] BodePlotHole@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Doug TenNapel.

Dude is a level 10 bastard. But Earthworm Jim was very influential to me as a kid.

The characters and the sense of humor; It just spoke to me in a weird and powerful way.

The games, the comics, even the short lived cartoon show was not too shabby.

Ga-roovy!

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Phil Spector produced some of the best music of the twentieth century, including one of a handful of bearable Christmas albums in existence. Also he's a fucking murderer. So... bit of a mixed bag, there.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

I still like Harry Potter. And Disney's Fillmore (lead actor was later arrested for domestic violence)

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If you feel like you can only like things made by people who haven't done anything wrong, ever, you're left with Mr Rogers and that's about it. Liking something someone made isn't an endorsement of their actions or opinions. Unfortunately we live in a hyper capitalistic society so buying their stuff can help them with their shitty opinions, so don't buy new Harry Potter stuff, but feel free to enjoy it.

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[–] MrSmith@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Tarantino.

I just know the guy's a dickhole.

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[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 67 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

Both of the Linuses

Sebastian and Torvalds

Sebastian because most of the shit he's been accused of has either been fixed openly, or was proven mostly false.

Torvalds because while he can be extremely rude, he generally only does it when the person deserves to be called out. It's not like he's going off at random people. Society says he should use more tact, but the dude is literally responsible for creating and now maintaining arguably the most important piece of the server software stack globally. There's also a very high chance he's on the spectrum.

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 47 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Yeah people can complain Torvalds was rude all day, but fuck me if the people he yelled at couldn't be aggressively disrespectful in bringing half-assed work to the table and doing damage or at best wasting other's people time.

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[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 61 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I like the world building in Fifth Element and Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets. But Luc Besson is probably a rapist and certainly a sexual assaulter. I'll watch his old stuff I already own but won't put any more money towards it nor support any new projects.

Edit: oh, also he's not "cancelled". He came out with another movie this year or last, if I recall. 9 times our of 10, celebrities that say they were "cancelled" just had their feefees hurt by people on social media.

[–] lemmylommy@lemmy.world 50 points 3 days ago

Also a pedo. From his wiki page:

Besson's second wife was actress and director Maïwenn Le Besco, whom he started dating when he was 32 and she was 15 after having met three years earlier.[46] They married in late 1992 when Le Besco, 16, was pregnant with their daughter Shanna, who was born on 3 January 1993.[47][deprecated source] Le Besco later claimed that their relationship inspired Besson's film Léon (1994), where the plot involved the emotional relationship between an adult man and a 12-year-old girl (played by then 12-year-old Natalie Portman).

[–] lime@feddit.nu 50 points 3 days ago (6 children)

michael jackson made incredible music. i don't even know how much of the stuff about him is true but it does feel weird listening to his stuff now, even though it's extremely well made.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago (13 children)

I don't think we'll ever know. I have a feeling he actually wasn't a pedophile at all, but just felt close to children because he had Peter Pan syndrome or something. He seemed very infantile to me is the only real sense I got of him. Strange person. But without question he did make some r really iconic music.

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[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Kevin Spacey. 'K-Pax' and 'Swimming With Sharks' were so good.

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[–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 53 points 3 days ago (18 children)

Kevin Spacey is a fantastic actor.

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[–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago (5 children)
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[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Lawrence Krauss did this awesome video about global warming for "skeptics" and deniers and it is so good

Only problem I can't really share it because anyone who googles the name learns he's all over the damn Epstein files

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lApLD5g1Nrs

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[–] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Bill Cosby is a monster, but his stand-up special "Himself" is a master class on comedic story-telling.

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