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[–] i_have_no_enemies@lemmy.world 261 points 2 years ago (9 children)

my dad is refusing to take vaccines because he thinks taking it will automatically make him vote dem because of nano-machine in them.

he also thinks vaccines are kind of HRT.

anyways how's your day?

[–] sudoku@programming.dev 155 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 74 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I hope you are an adult and no longer live with your parents.

If that is the case remember this. If you cannot have pleasant encounters with him, you are under no obligation to have them at all.

[–] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ah so that explains my D cups

[–] PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's all that government big pharma stuff that have given me moobs, things like:

  • Covid-19 vaccines;
  • Fluoride in toothpaste and tapwater;
  • Chemtrails;
  • a horrendous diet and little exercise;
  • pride flags
[–] WhiteHawk@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (5 children)

pride flags

You weren't supposed to eat them smh

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[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

Block his router of the content

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[–] RVMWSN@lemmy.ml 97 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Intellectual property is a scam. A commonly heard defense of intellectual property is that it is needed for companies to fund their R&D. However pharmaceutical companies typically spent a lot more money on marketing & sales than they do on R&D. Big Pharma spending money on marketing and sales is harmful to our health. Apparently it's a lot more lucrative to get people drugged up on painkillers or whatever than to discover new medicine. If we didn't have intellectual property then we would have competition resulting in the lowest possible medicine prices. Companies would have no money for marketing so medicine would be judged on their actual properties, only the best would be given to patients, not the best marketed, but best health-wise. Companies would have no money for R&D either, but the government could fund R&D We shouldn't blame the players, we created a system that produces these bad actors. Let's change the system so that these bad actors couldn't exist. Intellectual property is a international problem, join the pirate party of your country and let's make it happen!

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[–] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 97 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The eu:

€20 take it or leave it

[–] themurphy@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Scandinavian countries:

Free, take it or leave it

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 62 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I don't think he meant to the consumer. EU countries can negotiate for the price with pharmaceutical companies, so they can lower the price.

In the US insurance companies can try to negotiate, but their weight is quite low, and the federal government (medicaid, medicare) is forbidden by law to negotiate. Whichever price pharma sets, it's that.

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[–] DancingIsForbidden@lemmy.world 79 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

From the bottom of my heart, fuck you Pfizer. I have had Covid twice, had my blood oxygen drop as low as 79, and I would still rather die a miserable covid death than suffer the injustice of being greed raped by the absolute worst caricature of capitalist pigs that actually came to life. I hope that money makes your board members miserable and can't do much to treat the uncurable, flesh eating disease your evil pig carcasses should be justifiably riddled with by karma, leaving your kids to donate your disgustingly afforded estate to charity to cleanse themselves of the nasty aftertaste of human suffering, the faint stink of people who are trying to take paxlovid and recover from a major virus in the rain and vulnerable cold because they can't afford both rent and medicine, after your death. Burn in hell, you uncaring scum.

EDIT: I realize this is a lot of vitrol to throw out into the universe, but they likely won’t ever see this on Lemmy, and to make matters worse they clearly won’t care anyway. It's just my own version of catharsis, I guess

[–] eskimofry@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Much better strategy: you take the medicine... survive... and refuse to pay in protest. Sure, you might get sued for non-payment of bills... then a bunch of people can fight a class action lawsuit against pfizer.

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[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 74 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Didn’t the government fund the development? So.. it’s not like they need so much to recover R&D right?

[–] Isakk86@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago

Welcome to the United States. Everything is subsidized, then turned around to fuck the average person.

[–] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago

The government did not for Pfizer. That was Moderns. Pfizer did spend billions of their own cash. This move is largely because the executive leadership way overestimated the amount of covid vaccine and drug treatment revenue for this year, and they are desperate to make up ground.

So they are raising prices and cutting across the board rather than admitting they didn't know what they were doing in their projections. CEO isn't taking a pay cut though. Morons got a winning lottery ticket in the pandemic and assumed they'd keep winning every year.

[–] Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 years ago

I know they funded moderna - they basically built Moderna’s new plants including their cmo’s plant so that they could produce at scale. Govt built and funded the plants at risk - prior to fda approval - so that it massively sped up the process to getting the drug in people’s hands. Those plants are now used for other drugs.

I think - but not 100% sure - Pfizer did it on their own.

Still - 10,000% is shameful.

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[–] BellaDonna@mujico.org 65 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Paxlovid kept me alive when I had COVID. This makes me really upset. People will actually die without this.

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[–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 48 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So many Martin Shkrelis out there pricing drugs to the highest level they can get away with. Every big pharmaceutical company does this kind of thing, especially with new drugs.

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[–] CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Thanks capitalism!!

/sarcasm.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (9 children)

I'll never understand why so many people think middlemen somehow makes shit cheaper...

Taxes > government research > cheap meds

With the bonus point of no more pharmaceutical companies selling shit like oxy for profit

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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 43 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's been too long since the aristocrats were reminded that they need us more than we need them and that they can't hire enough of us to stop the rest of us once we take an idea to mind.

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[–] Kodemystic@lemmy.kodemystic.dev 39 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The amount of Pfizer boot lickers here is astounding

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 37 points 2 years ago (27 children)

I was given (free) Paxlovid when I finally contracted covid this year. We need laws regulating price increases. If you can't demonstrate that your costs for a product or service went up, you can't increase by more than x%. I don't know how you do this without encouraging higher introductory prices because it's not a problem that I've thought about in depth, but something like this needs to happen with further consideration.

Another thing I'd like to see is robber barons getting prosecuted for crimes against humanity, but that's not realistic.

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[–] happyhippo@feddit.it 36 points 2 years ago (3 children)

13$ to produce including all the R&D behind it?

I'm not a fan of big pharma, quite the contrary, but I'd be curious to know where this number comes from...

[–] UnspecificGravity@lemmings.world 49 points 2 years ago

I bet they got a lot of grants and other funding. They aren't disclosing their costs so you can assume it's less that you imagine.

[–] blue_zephyr@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago

As if they'll lower the price once they've recouped the R&D costs ten times over.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] pyldriver@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago (5 children)

That would be the us government soooo.... The citizens of the usa

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[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Don’t ever think for a second that pharmaceutical companies did anything during Covid for our benefit. They were working their actuarial tables to figure out how they maximize their profits in the future against sick people dying.

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[–] db2@sopuli.xyz 27 points 2 years ago (14 children)

And who is in charge of making sure this kind of immoral illegal thing doesn't happen? People who are still somehow allowed to collect kickbacks in exchange for looking the other way.

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[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ok who let Martin shkreli out of jail?

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[–] Nacktmull@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's called freedom! Go to Russia if you don't like it! /s

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[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It is shockingly easy to burn things.

I'm just going to leave that thought there.

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