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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 57 points 1 month ago (9 children)

you_were_the_chosen_one.gif

I jumped ship to Librewolf a year and a half ago (after seeing Mozilla steal people's data and sell it to advertisers), and I'm pretty fucking thankful for that. For anyone looking to leave Mozilla to rot, I highly recommend it.

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[–] self@awful.systems 52 points 1 month ago (10 children)

if you’re here to recommend ladybird, tell us why you’re doing advocacy for that trash fire in spite of the well-sourced, ah, downsides pointed out in article and video linked from the OP.

same for brave. I don’t give a fuck if privacyguides told you it was the goodest browser.

if you’re here to advocate for ladybird or brave and haven’t read the article in the OP, fuck off. don’t come here pretending to discuss something you haven’t read.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 25 points 1 month ago

On the subject of Brave:

https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/1j1pq7b/list_of_brave_browser_controversies/ it really has a little bit to many controversies. (And the list is downplaying some of it, the wikipedia clone added wasn't just some random one, it is was the one created by the alt right, neo-nazi Vox Day. Addition of which by the CEO should be enough to not want to use the browser at all).

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And if you're here to report the mods for rudeness, lolz

[–] self@awful.systems 15 points 1 month ago

ahahaha delicious

[–] self@awful.systems 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

important addendum: your reason for advocating for shit browsers owned by terrible people will be read out loud in the clown voice it deserves

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Lemmy needs a feature where we can click a button on a comment and make everyone see that comment in Comic Sans.

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[–] jaschop@awful.systems 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The era of useful Silicon Valley Non-Profits seems to be fizzling out. I wonder how long Signal is going to hold out...

[–] jaschop@awful.systems 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

(Those are my 2 reference points, if I'm ignorant of some cool org let me know.)

[–] kinsnik@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wikipedia is still doing good

Which is why there has been some push to undermine it lately. I have noticed ai bro calling it deprecated by chatgpt, or musk's grokipedia

[–] RnDanger@infosec.exchange 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

@kinsnik @jaschop
How are they gonna depreciate the expertise they need to cannibalize?
These people are not serious thinkers, or, at least they assume we aren't

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[–] dgerard@awful.systems 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

from the youtube browser comments, "Ladybird is our last hope" seems to be the new standard promotional cut'n'paste phrase

last hope for what, you might ask? well the true anti-woke browser, which is much more important than actually, say, working.

presumably brave is too SJW for these guys, as well as basically working insofar as it's just a chrome reskin

they want the TRUE GLORIOVS FVTVRE that only a nonexistent thing that doesn't fucking work, and won't cos the lead bozo is vibe coding it, can offer.

in fashtech, promises of future glory always beat present day actually fucking working

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[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Just pick one - All Fox functionality without bloatware

Librewolf

Waterfox

Floorp

[UPDATE] Zen Browser is also very nice

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 12 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I think I already said this but you're not making me use something called "Floorp" even if it's the last piece of software in the world. Just come on.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I used Floorp for a while. (The search engine that dominated the industry was named for a child's nonsense-babble word for 10^100; nobody has a leg to stand on here.) It had a rare but persistent (and thus difficult to diagnose) problem of crashing my laptop hard when opening a private-mode window. Also, they're planning to incorporate AI on an "opt-in" basis instead of rejecting it on moral grounds.

[–] figjam@midwest.social 9 points 1 month ago

So thats a no on "Floorp" then. Good

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 9 points 1 month ago

The search engine that dominated the industry was named for a child’s nonsense-babble word for 10^100;

And how did that work out in the long term? There were warning signs!

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[–] dgerard@awful.systems 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

sadly, Floorp is going AI browser. I mean, "choice" to pick the bits of rat poop out browser.

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Presumably, if Firefox version N breaks ad-blocking, someone can make a hard fork of version N-1. Security patches, upgrades to OS support and things like new CSS/HTML features can be cherry-picked or reimplemented to it, though Firefox updates in general will not be admitted, as it’s a hard fork (in the way that LibreOffice or MariaDB is). At worst, Firefox will actively make it hard to do this, closing their source or changing their licence to one which prohibits it, requiring any updates to be reimplemented clean-room style, which will slow things down, though if the alternative is actively enshittified, it’s the least-bad option.

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The good news is it generally isn't necessary to reverse engineer browser behavior when writing a browser. Since it's mostly fairly standardized, there's a decent test suite, and the major browsers are all open source.

Though this comes with some caveats:

  • There are exceptions like the CSS viewport spec which was reverse engineered from an iphone.
  • There are a lot of specifications because browsers have been around for decades and Chromium keeps implementing stuff, and it can be hard to find enough programmers to write all of them / catch up from a fresh start
  • This is a somewhat unstable situation; if we lose even a single major browser engine it's easy to imagine Chrome maybe not bothering with standardization and just telling people to read the blog posts and code.
  • Web pages will do nonsense like break themselves if you provide a User-Agent string they don't like. Mozilla has an ongoing compatibility effort where they sometimes have to override the UA string for specific pages. So less popular browsers are already playing from a disadvantageous position.
[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Move. I'm trying waterfox atm

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[–] afporritt1001@lemmy.today 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Use LibreWolf or WaterFox and ironfox for android

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[–] Seminar2250@awful.systems 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I used Firefox for largely political reasons (summarized as "Google needs a competitor"), but it was becoming harder and harder to justify. Eventually, I just switched to a Chromium-based browser. I will say that, as an almost-good-enough solution until I wake up from this nightmare to a functioning Servo (🙏🙏🙏) , DNS level ad blocking (using Mullvad's DNS servers) + uBlock Origin Lite (filtering mode set to "complete") has been sufficient for me. It even blocks Spotify ads. I think it blocks YouTube ads as well, although I barely watch YouTube on my browser.

Ungoogled Chromium supports MV2 extensions and seems like a good choice if Firefox becomes unusable or you get fed up. I use Trivalent, a security hardened Chromium-based browser, but it may be tough to install if you aren't on Secureblue. Also it only supports MV3 extensions.

this shit is so fucking frustrating, just leave our browsers alone. we want security updates, not an unethically sourced bullshit-and-vulnerability-generator stapled onto the biggest attack surface on our fucking machine

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[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

maybe my favorite pivot to ai article yet, definitely top three at least. wonderful work

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

small typo.

So guess what Mozilla did? When you update Firefox, tt re-enables the AI! And if you disable the AI again, it re-enables it again next update! Choose correctly, user!

"tt" should be "it"

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