Using my time machine I tried to contact all the great minds of the past but they all got stuck in their thought process when I told them about the moonlanding. Then I've gone to some other dudes and tried not telling them about the moonlanding, but they kept asking so it seems most philosophers were just interested in philosophy as a side gig while they couldn't think about what's on the moon.
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The moon is amazing. The idea that it was a real place real people have gone to just sitting there in plain view made love it more as a kid.
Stop!! You are disrupting the timelines too much! If you create any more temporal paradoxes the universe is gonna collapse.
Probably for the best. We had a good run, but I don't know if we should let this go any further.
chill out the paradoxes always resolve themselves
Except they’ve resolved themselves to where we are now…
"no Marx, the part was like 50 years ago. I'm asking about your view on 2018."
"Holy shit, you split the fucking atom and rained doom in Japan."
"Traveling across the world in flying machines is just an everyday thing you can do?"
"But you're making the world uninhabitable by doing so? And you're still doing it?"
This should be the least surprising thing to Marx tbh
Capitalism didn’t get us to the moon. Capitalism got us space debris.
Fun fact, the Soviets were the real space pioneers. They pretty much were first at everything except the moon landing.
I can back this up with a list from one of Carl Sagan's books if there are sceptics out there.
In my view, the Soviets won the Space Race, as they got most successes. The Americans may have their credit with the moon landing.
I mean sure, you can win every race if you call it when you're in the lead 🤦
They won the race to the moon but never finished.
I mean, thats correct, but they were never able to make a rocket big enough for the moon landing. They got stuck with their absurdly gigantic ships and the US overtook them.
But they did. The N1 was just as powerful as the saturn V. But they struggled getting the engines stable enough to fly. And there was a lot of poltical infighting to ever get it fully operation. And then the US beat them to the moon, destroying the last poltical will.
If they couldn't get the engines stable enough to fly, did they really make a moon rocket? They certainly built a really big rocket shaped building filled with rocket fuel.
It's like saying SpaceX Starship is an orbital vehicle. Sure, it would be if it does it, but if SpaceX were to abandon the project before it achieved orbit then they can't claim they made the biggest orbital vehicle.
... and some vaporized astronauts.
Mostly space debris. Also we got a bunch of tech along the way. GPS and cellular among a few.
Also CCD's!
solar panels are a big one
I mean if socialism is celebrated for the other space achievements then seems as sensible to celebrate capitalism for the moon
The competition between the communist USSR and the capitalist USA is what got us there that fast. Seeing how most capitalists seem to have a burning hatred for fundamental research, and the space race wasn't directly profitable, I'm not sure capitalism alone would have got us there even by now.
It's kinda hard to give credit to capitalism for that when it couldn't have happened without heavy government involvement.
Private sector was heavily involved in it. It feels like we're going to strange lenghts to dedicate achievements to one system and to deny them from the other. Capitalist US got to the moon, socialist USSR did other amazing space achievements. If anything to me it seems like neither should get the credit. Give it to the countries who made them happen and the people behind the projects instead of economic systems.
I mean, the private sector was by needs involved, because a space program requires industrial supply chains, and those were mostly private. They never would have achieved it without collective, government action. (Even SpaceX only exists because of NASA.) Saying that "capitalism did it," when it manifestly did not, because of oversimplifications like "capitalist US" is misleading. At best, capitalist in that use is synecdoche. At worst, it's political woo woo, since the US is far from pure capitalism.
In capitalism those supply chains are most often filled by private sector. Government still does stuff in most capitalist systems and is involved in the economy. It's not not capitalism when the government does stuff.
the US is far from pure capitalism
This is an interesting reversal of how this discussion usually goes. But there's no "pure capitalism". Capitalism is a massive spectrum.
Yeah, I agree with this take honestly.
If you credit solely Capitalism for getting to the moon, then you have to solely credit socialism for getting to space.
And it's not like getting to space was some feature of either system, rather just result of US and USSR having a massive rivalry about it. You could've had that between two capitalist or socialist countries with the same result.
Wait til you hear that they did surgery on a grape
What?
They did surgery on a grape
A grape in the fucking sky?
what did the grape have?
Grape skin.
Marx was an author. He'd probably be more amazed by the Internet.
"Wait, so anybody in the world can read my book using that magic rectangle? How much advance notice do you need to provide? None? You can just open up any page, any chapter instantly? And you can do it from anywhere? And it's not just my book? It's Kant's books too? Hegel's? And providing access to these books is so cheap that it's not even worth charging for? And you can do this with any book ever written? Oh, only old books. New books are copyrighted and expensive. Artificial scarcity. Riiiiiight, capitalism. Did you know I wrote a book on that? You can read it on that magic rectangle of yours for free."
holy shit, it's almost 10 years since 2018. Surely 2018 was only last year??
It's yet to come. Five years from now.
covid in 2019. man, that was one hell of a decade.
So even Karl Marx questions the moon landing? Wake up people!
So you can use potable water to clean you butt, but people think it's icky so they walk around with unwashed asses? And then you lick these asses for sexual pleasure? And there are these thin bricks in your pockets you can use to watch?
oh sorry, you misdialed franklin again.
I doubt the people who like anal are the same people who not wash their butts.
Or they are and they're a real mess
That's nothing. Tell him why the Americans were so highly motivated to get there before Russia.
to develop ICBM tech.
let's face it, the space race was just a public facing excuse to sugarcoat research in ICBMs.
once the tech was mature enough to get to the moon. the budget plummeted.
I do think he'd have certain notes about modern manufacturing productivity