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Considering the pickup EV has been an enormous commercial flop, only selling barely a fraction of Musk’s promised 250,000 to 500,000 Cybertrucks a year, there’s a good chance Tesla is using the mercurial CEO’s other venture to boost the numbers ahead of the end of an otherwise disastrous year.

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[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 301 points 3 months ago (12 children)

Pretty sure this is illegal, you know, using one company to prop up another (the old “Enron” method)

Wish the US still I don’t know, had laws and whatnot

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 139 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Laws are so 2010. Get with the time, it's all corruption and gambling now.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

2010? By that point, the global financial crisis had already proven that there are no consequences for financial manipulation if you're rich enough.

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[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 56 points 3 months ago

"Illegal" is only for the poors and can apply to something as simple as crossing the street

[–] if_only@sh.itjust.works 47 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh we still have laws. Elon is just part of the "in" group who the laws protect but do not bind.

[–] Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Its shakey, but might be in the clear because SpaceX is still private and can do whatever it likes. If they went public too, then there would be a problem I think

[–] Tiger@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think they’re going to IPO soon, so gotta get this shady shit done first.

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[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 123 points 3 months ago (3 children)

All valid criticism aside, 1000 is a pretty fathomable number.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 39 points 3 months ago

To me one sold Cyber truck is unfathomable.

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They only made around 50k of them. So that is still a considerable amount.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Sure, but still a number which it is possible to fathom.

[–] Vex_Detrause@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)
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[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 19 points 3 months ago

I think it becomes unfathomable when someone's buying that number of cybertrucks. As in I can't fathom why someone would do that, unless to juice Tesla's numbers.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 94 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] stretch2m 20 points 3 months ago (3 children)

THANK you. I can't even get excited about their successes knowing Musk is involved.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 79 points 3 months ago

Ah, the AI business model...

[–] PedestrianError@towns.gay 67 points 3 months ago (1 children)

@technocrit Using taxpayer money that they're granted due to the outsourcing of government functions like NASA and communications to bail out their incompetent boss's other failing business which was initially built on tax credits supposedly created to address climate change. None of Musk's companies are profitable, they're just good at stealing from the mooks who run governments.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Musk: most efficient in the world at extracting the public's money via government.
Besos: most efficient in the world at extracting the public's money directly.

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 41 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Elon is running the biggest Ponzi in history, financing on financing and counting both as the total. Eventually he won't be able to keep shuffling assets around and counting both, they will all collapse with nothing left and everyone will be shocked pikachu despite it being obvious.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Elon is running the biggest Ponzi in history

after Nvidia and Open AI.

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[–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Elon is running the biggest Ponzi in history

it's a bigger ponzi than nvidia?

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago

Playing games with the shareholders. Giving tesla a boost by paying for it with spacex.

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like some form of fraud.

[–] gergolippai@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (14 children)

Because it is :)

EV subsidies are going away soon, so Elons putting some money fromone pocket to the other now, but also claims the subsidies so he's putting more money to that other pocket than he took out from the first pocket.

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[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 29 points 3 months ago

Oroborous Economics

[–] markz@suppo.fi 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Are they gonna use them as ballast or dummy payload or what?

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Just so long as they strip out the lithium batteries first - otherwise that'd be one helluva fireball coming back down in some random spot

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 44 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I get what you're going for, but the amount of energy stored in any mass going at orbital speed far outweighs the energy stored in its chemical makeup. A 1kg mass traveling 7.8km/s (LEO speed) has 30MJ of kinetic energy. By comparison, 1kg of TNT has 4.184MJ of chemical energy. So even if the Cybertruck was made out of TNT, the TNT would only account for about 13% of the total energy. Removing the batteries would significantly reduce the mass which would have a large impact on the "fireball," but I don't think that's what you're going for.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

You are part of why lemmy is great.

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago (1 children)

He literally already did something like this with tesla and solar city. There was a court case and everything but musk won so it's no suprise he's doing it again.

[–] Quexotic 39 points 3 months ago (6 children)

60m settlement. Technically a loss, but a slap on the wrist and a drop in the bucket as far as I'm concerned so I won't argue that it wasn't a win.

I can't believe this fucking court system.

https://www.pv-tech.org/delaware-judge-approves-us60m-settlement-for-tesla-shareholders-aggrieved-b/

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[–] PillowD@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago

It's been awhile since I took accounting, but this looks like they are setting up a transfer pricing fraud.

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago
[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 24 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Nothing is based on supply and demand anymore. The "market" no longer makes corrections. It's all manipulatable fuckery and the elite still wants you to believe that the stock market is stable. The big bubble burst will be money, and how it's abused/misused, not AI.

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[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

He only gets his reinstated absurdly large Tesla bonus if Tesla does really well.

What can be better for profits than selling a bunch of cybertrucks? (Even if it is to himself.)

[–] payhn@sopuli.xyz 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Unfathomable and 1000-2000 are quite different… especially when talking about 250,000

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

~~Money laundering?~~ Stock boosting, same difference.

[–] Sarcasmo@piefed.social 17 points 3 months ago

Probably because these have been known to blast off before reaching ignition. I give them a T-minus on this deal.

[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A cybertruck bubble you say??

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[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 16 points 3 months ago

If anyone was still sceptical about there being an enormous bubble about to pop…

[–] kowcop@aussie.zone 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Calling it now, spacex will merge with Tesla to try hit the valuation for Musks pay package

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[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

Wash trading at its finest.

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

That's a creative use for the state handout that he receives for spacex, propping up the shareholders.

[–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Please God shoot them into space directly toward the sun. Please.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

SpaceX rockets don't have enough ∆V for that.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

From one pocket to another...

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Ahh, flagrant accounting shenanigans.

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