Realtime subtitles is a value ad for the user. That's totally fine.
Copilot scanning my activity and recommending me shows serves the company, get that off of TVs.
I'll always use a plugin streamer.
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I can't stand the algorithms of video media. I wish they all had organic options.
I am still using a 2011 TV, but when it goes out it seems I'll have to switch to a big PC monitor to dodge all that bullshit.
I don't want a smart TV. I want a stupid screen, with just enough color settings to properly calibrate it. That's it.
The thing with smart TVs is that you don’t need to connect them to your network to use them.
LG, unfortunately, still make the best OLED displays at the moment, and Samsung are arguably even worse when it comes to not respecting their customers.
Our C2 65in is hooked up to an Apple TV for all of our media streaming needs.
Next time I get a new TV, that sucker is getting opened and the wifi antennas and microphones desoldered.
On Roku branded TVs, it sounds like that just means you can't use it for anything
If it doesn't connect, it won't let you switch inputs or anything until you connect your account
Smart tv's are awful, doubly so since you cant get "dumb" tv's anymore. I just dont give my tv wifi access and that seems to pretty much mitigate all the bullshit.
I Dont trust these TVs not to make peer to peer connections with others until it hops onto one with a active connection.
If I get a new TV, its getting opened and the wifi antennas and microphones are getting desoldered.
I lament the day online access and accounts become a requirement.
Same. It was bad when gaming consoles did it and I see no reason why corps wouldnt do it
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All I want is a DisplayPort and maybe some os with freedom of Linux why is that too much to ask for. The fact I can’t have vrr with my $600 GPU is absolute bullshit
Get a Raspberry Pi? Or maybe a SBC with a display port option.
Yeah I have a 3b and 4b
As far as I'm concerned LG is a shithole company. I've gone through a TV, dishwasher, and fridge from them and all three had issues just outside warranty. That's not bad luck thats intentional shitty engineering. Fuck them.
They used to be good. My last TV was 10 years old when I finally got a new one. New one is now 8 years old. It seems like LG and Samsung just both make super shitty appliances. In any case, I agree they can certainly both fuck off now that we know everything they make is spyware.
I would be so happy if I could just disable the "magic mouse" (IIRC that's what it's called). I once talked to support for an unrelated reason and asked how to do that; they said the only way was to enable on screen narration.
Any time throughout the conversation I asked why those two things were connected, they dodged or outright ignored the question.
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I've never owned a smart TV. I still don't see a point in owning one. Why in the world would someone need copilot on their TV?
Unfortunately it's getting hard to find dumb TVs. The only real options are pro-AV or digital signage displays but even a lot of those are now moving to being smart. Our 15 year old bedroom TV finally died last month and we ended up having to replace it, and we ultimately went with an LG. I've disabled it's wifi though. It's a frustrating situation. I wish one of the manufacturers with good displays would just offer a dumb line of TVs. I imagine they would still have a market even if they were higher cost to make up for the lack of ad revenue, but maybe I'm underestimating that revenue. Either way, avoiding smart TVs is getting extremely difficult these days.
I think we need a whole company that makes dumb everything. I want a dumb house. Grill, fridge, washer/dryer, TV, gaming console, floor cleaning robot, toilet, lights, oven, and everything. They need to make "The Dumb Store."
We need a custom replacement ROMs like Lineage or Graphene for smart TVs.
They've got a USB interface and most run some flavor of Linux. Maybe someone smarter than me can explain what the difficulty is, because it seems simple enough to my stupid ass.
When you get a new TV, make sure it supports CEC so you can bypass all this bullshit.
CEC allows your input devices to change inputs, control power, control volume, etc.
My current setup is a Samsung QLED, Xbox, and Apple TV. All support CEC and I never touch the Samsung remote and have no idea what’s in the Samsung menus anymore.
If I turn on the streaming box, the tv turns on, the input changes, and all I see is the streaming box UI. Same for the game console. CEC is fucking incredible and an underrated thing that doesn’t get the flowers it deserves. It just works.
Edit: imagine your TV is dumb monitor with a KVM. That’s what CEC feels like when it’s setup correctly.
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FWIW I replaced my Samsung "smart" TV by a Nebula Mars video projector. It's very convenient and let's me forget I have it, tucked away and hidden most of the time. Yes it is "smart" but it's Android and I can connect via adb to it to install apps like VLC, make it start on boot, etc. I'm not updating it.
Next time I do buy a replacement though I'll verify first in forums if it can be rooted to have the level of control I need. Maybe there will be a OSHW equivalent to https://www.crowdsupply.com/open-tools/open-printer for video projectors as unfortunately it seems like a trend.
The problem is, you can never trust companies whose products can update over the air. (like "smart TVs"). The company can promise all kinds of things they won't do and then sneak something awful into a future update. I will spend a little more on "non-smart / no WiFi" TVs in the future.
Just don't connect the TV to wifi?
The problem is, the TV won't let you. The Visio TV won't let you do anything with it at all until you set up your WiFi connection first. So you can't even use it as a dumb monitor.
And if you disable WiFi later, the TV will nag you to turn it back on every time the TV starts up. I'm sure this design is intentional.
Could you connect it to wifi, but then block the tv on your router from Internet access?
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This crap is why my LG TV lost its internet privileges last year and built a htpc to do all my media needs.
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