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Boys to learn difference between porn and real life to tackle misogyny in England’s schools (www.theguardian.com)

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Children as young as 11 who demonstrate misogynistic behaviour will be taught the difference between pornography and real relationships, as part of a multimillion-pound investment to tackle misogyny in England’s schools, the Guardian understands.

On the eve of the government publishing its long-awaited strategy to halve violence against women and girls (VAWG) in a decade, David Lammy told the Guardian that the battle “begins with how we raise our boys”, adding that toxic masculinity and keeping girls and women safe were “bound together”.

As part of the government’s flagship strategy, which was initially expected in the spring, teachers will be able to send young people at risk of causing harm on behavioural courses, and will be trained to intervene if they witness disturbing or worrying behaviour.

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[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago (23 children)

Is porn really behind the misogyny? What about the tards in the so-called "manosphere" saying all sorts of crazy and immoral shit? Those have more reach than whatever extremely weird pornography is supposed to be at fault. Is this what not being able to say "this is objectively wrong/right" because of Western moral relativism leads to?

[–] FarceOfWill 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thing is the specific guy we're all thinking of ran a porn company. One with little consent.

I do think porn is a symptom not a cause and targetting it wont actually help. Mistreatment of women wasnt exactly rare in say the 50s, even if it wasnt filmed for money.

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[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago (18 children)

Well, you know all the humiliation porn, hardcore porn, rape porn and such?

That's not a very nice representation of sex that can be considered safe for anyone, especially young humans with a developing brain.

Can we say that is objectively wrong? Or are we all so addicted to porn that we get angry as soon as it comes up in such discussions?

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 21 points 1 day ago (10 children)

"Young humans" sure. Not young humans, you absolutely do you.

There's a bit of an emerging trend in leftist European circles in particular that sees porn as inherently patriarchal and wrong and we're not ready for how much anti-porn is going to be the new terfism yet. This is going to suck a lot, and not in a good way.

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[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (7 children)

that’s porn
it’s not real life

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[–] sircac@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The healthiest thing is a decent sexual education to tackle all the topics rather than only this issue in these cases... but very welcome anyway

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[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

I guess one good thing will come of this porn panic in England.

Still think there's a lot better things the labour government could be doing with their massive majority.

[–] harambe69@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 20 hours ago

As if boys aren't discriminated against enough in the education system already. Make it easier for good male teachers to stay in the system and provide good role models to follow.

[–] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Futanari isn't misogynistic, so I'm assuming this law would be OK with it.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think it is overall a good thing that the UK is trying to make some progress. It is disappointing that it’s come to teaching 11 year olds about pornography.

As much as porn may be a factor, there’s a lot more beyond that single factor that is involved - reminiscent of video games causing mass shootings.

Parenting and parental examples are a huge component of teaching kids to be responsible adults. When I was a kid, parental controls if they existed were a challenge that I worked on learning to circumvent (and I learned a lot about computers), but today they’re pretty bulletproof. But parents don’t use them at all. There’s not even an attempt made to limit screen time or exposure to pornography.

It’s not just parents of course; tech companies are absolutely responsible as well. It’s a complex issue.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

reminiscent of video games causing mass shootings

None of the many scientific studies into this claim has found any evidence of its validity.

Instead there is evidence that it is a byproduct of good ol’ racism, as it is used most often to try to explain why a white child would walk into a school and start killing. Because there must be an external reason right? It’s not like Timmy was one of those inherently violent blacks.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 day ago

Yes that’s my point.

[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think any time they could be exposed to something is the time to educate them about it. If that was even younger, that would be fine. Even very basic sex education can be taught to very young children to help keep them safe from abuse. Not talking about things openly, using scientific vocabulary, is a big problem.

Parental controls are excellent to stop “accidental” discovery, but at some point they will seek stuff out, and proper education should exist before that point. If parents are too embarrassed? ashamed? to have that conversation, it falls to the school/state/etc.

Parents not using parental controls are in my mind the same ones who would have been similarly oblivious or negligent in the past, I don’t think the technology has anything to do with it, except statistically volume and ease of access increases necessity. I don’t think I would blame tech companies any more than magazine publishers.

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[–] IRemember@lemmings.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

Why doesn't the British government tackle their organizational transphobia problem first?

Oh what about Prince Andrew, how many girls did he do worse too? Maybe arrest him while you're at it.

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[–] galoisghost@aussie.zone 4 points 1 day ago

This is great.

Guaranteed the ‘Manosphere’ find a single reference to transgender people or something and spend their time (and JK Rowling’s money) trying to shut it down.

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