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[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 139 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Gotta give him some respect for admitting he was wrong, and doing so several times. Everyone is wrong from time to time, but barely anyone can openly admit it.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 55 points 1 month ago (3 children)

99% of doing science is being wrong and being happy about it

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

99% of the time, I make up statistics

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

But do you put work into the fake?

I like to invent P-values and fabricate not only participants, but their consent waivers. I sprinkle around terms like Tasseled Cap, Eigenvector, ANOVA, MLR, Covariance Matrices, etc.

Some people make up stuff because they're lazy. When my lies are complete, it would have been just as easy to do the actual work because I'm in it for the love of the game.

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[–] JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone 7 points 1 month ago

Some science is just

  1. Well this makes sense in my head, so ill experiment to check and prove im right.
  2. Huh, weird results, not what i expected.
  3. Trying again with different method/testing criteria/focus
  4. Still not what i thought, why is this happening?
  5. Oh thats cool, it turns out that X is actually happening and its because of some completely different thing i had never considered before, how exciting!
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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 25 points 1 month ago (3 children)

He's getting more views on the "I was wrong" videos so I have doubts about his real motivation. I know, I'm very cynical.

[–] ammonium@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

99% of flat earthers are just trolling, I refuse to believe anything else

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't know the percentage, but I've been to a flat earthers/variety conspiracy convention. Unless all of them are pretty good actors, they're all were very serious about their batshitery. It's scary, really.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So did you set up a pendulum during the convention?

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I was there with the pure anthropological interest

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 7 points 1 month ago

99% of them are in it for the community. The other 1% is in it for the views and followers.

[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

This is a dangerous mindset. People can and do seriously believe in utterly stupid things like flat earth. The thing is, being a flat earther kind of ruins your life. Everyone you know who isn't a flat earther (so, most people) thinks you're a complete moron and have gone off the deep end, and good luck getting a job at a normal company if your entire online presence is promoting a belief in flat earth. It's not really something you can do casually- it's all or nothing.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's not a given, and the human brain has very strong aversions to admitting fault.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're right, I was wrong.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wouldn't say you're wrong necessarily, just that prevailing indications suggest the opposite.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

you can both be wrong

[–] psivchaz@reddthat.com 2 points 1 month ago

I wonder if I could become a big Antivax YouTuber but just leave in little oopsies to try and convince people subtly that I'm wrong.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago

And also add to that that this is more like escaping from a cult than it is merely admitting you were silly and wrong.

[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 132 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Isn’t there a documentary flat earthers filmed in which they debunked their own beliefs?

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 86 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] rainwall@piefed.social 54 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I would also highly recommend folding ideas "in search of a flat earth."

It covers the actual flat earth claims in depth, but is very much about the culture, and why that culture exists.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

the only documentary i know that has a twist in it.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Disney's FastPass: A Complicated History has a twist that Defunctland fans are still talking about four years later.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 1 month ago

i assume that "it's real" thing would have been more impactful if i knew anything about disney parks.

[–] FrederikNJS@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 month ago

The documentary "Icarus (2017)" has a twist as well.

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[–] czl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s a really good documentary because a lot of them actually want to be scientific about it.

But instead of following the scientific process of test->observe->draw a conclusion, they start with the conclusion and look for a way to prove it. And when the prof isn’t there, they simply say the test was flawed, and move on to the next test that will prove it.

It’s sad in a way. I don’t think, most of them anyway, are con man. They’re just misguided.

[–] ttyybb@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

I will say, starting with a conclusion/theory is fine, but the next step is to do everything you can to disprove it. The more you and other fail, the stronger it becomes

[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 5 points 1 month ago

Here's two different excitements where they did just that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrGgxAK9Z5A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFqmDazwb6Y

They display the sentiment of "if we fail this test (show earth is round) something clearly went wrong and it doesn't mean anything and we need to try, try again, but if we get a different result just once then that conclusively beyond any doubt proves that earth is flat"

[–] Jolteon@lemmy.zip 68 points 1 month ago

You can tell their intelligence rises over the course of the series because they go from portrait to landscape videos.

[–] LytiaNP@lemmy.today 55 points 1 month ago

We need more people like that in the world

[–] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You know, I really like it when people think twice about the "current" state of science. Thinking "I don't think that's true. So I will check and verify" is a great thing and most people should do that. Thinking the earth is flat is fine - if you then go to verify.

The problem I have is if there is PLENTY of proof of things being a certain way that you just choose to ignore. Then you become an idiot.

[–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

"Current" science is a bit of a stretch, like a couple thousand years of stretching. Eratosthenes showed the earth was round and calculated its circumference to an astonishing precision using research and fairly simple trigonometry. He died 2,219 years ago.

[–] TechLich@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

"known by scientists for a long time" doesn't necessarily mean true. Medical science believed in the four humours and thought most disease was caused by an imbalance in bile, blood and phlegm for like 1200 years before being replaced by the idea that it was actually miasma and stinky air.

Germ theory's claim that tiny monsters are eating your insides, maybe like invisible poisonous insects or miniature demons and you need to wash them off your hands - Sounded Batshit crazy by comparison.

Questioning long-held assumptions and challenging scientific norms is a good thing, but every human has a grift that they're vulnerable to and for some people, even smart, sciencey people, that grift is conspiracy alt science anti vax flat earth hollow earth aliens built the pyramids and the government doesn't want you to know the truth.

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[–] BiteSizedZeitGeist@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

People like RFK confuse skepticism with going against conventional thinking. Flerfers and anti-vaxxers and other conspiracy theorists aren't skeptical, because then they'd be open-minded about evidence. But they think they're being skeptical because they're going against the status quo.

Unfortunately bucking the status quo becomes an identity issue, and not only does evidence not matter anymore, but grifters come out to prey on people who just want to be skeptical.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

A conspiracy theorist with strong evidence is just a leftist.

[–] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah, that's the kind of conspiracy theorists I don't like lmao.

[–] Jayjader@jlai.lu 19 points 1 month ago

always nice to see a wholesome meme

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 15 points 1 month ago

Over just a few months makes me think it's fake. But who knows. Things actually do happen.

[–] trslim@pawb.social 14 points 1 month ago

i remember this guy, he is a pretty cool dude, actually, I think he went on Prof. Daves and they had a good conversation.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

What about the other, the subtle cons, like we don't have to take immediate action against global warming? (Not mentioning the more controversial ones.)

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I think we're pretty fucked on that front... You can just look outside to see the climate changing at this point

And our leaders can't even bother to pretend we're going to try to fix it anymore

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[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Imagine what the world would be like if the con artists pulling this stuff were pushing people to build libraries and educate kids.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

I wonder what Chinese flat earthers be like:

A: 地球是平的 (地球 is flat)

B: 但是你刚刚说了“地球” (but you just said “地球”) (地球 literally translates to: "ball of dirt" xD)

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