The Venn diagram of Firefox users who want an AI browser is zero.
Know your customer.
this post was submitted on 16 Dec 2025
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I just switched to using Zen because of this. I need to get used to this new browser but if I can evade AI through this I gladly learn how another browser works.
Yeah, that's great Mozilla. Have fun with that. You just make sure that shit can be compiled out so I can use a forked project that's had all the stupid sanitized out of it.
Honestly none of this sounds good.
Firefox will grow into a suite of software? Why?
People just want Mozilla to make Firefox fast and modern (I.e. renders their content, follows web standards correctly, is secure)
AI and whatever else is just a distraction from the one product people want.
Do you know the saying, something like "traffic engineers are paid to build roads, they are not paid to not build roads"
In line with this, MBAs will do MBA things.
Firefox will grow into a suite of software? Why?
My guess is that this is just a branding push. Not so much "the firefox browser will start doing all sorts of non browser things" and more like "we're going to call our non-browser things firefox".
For example:
- Thunderbird -> Firefox Mail
- Mozilla VPN -> Firefox VPN
I thought Thunderbird was a community project nowadays.
It is, but sponsored by Mozilla, so some of their staff are probably still involved. And of course is open source, so they could just take the newest release and fork it back, if they'd wish.
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It will evolve into a modern AI browser
Are you serious right now bro?!! We don't want an AI Browser!! We want a browser that keeps us private, secure and safe and doesn't include any AI slop....
So you're saying you want a personalised AI driven gaming browser with advertisments tailored to your interests?
Not to be rude or anything but I suppose you should read my comment properly again
It was a joke.
If that's true then my bad...
He also said, AI must be a choice.
He said people should be able to turn it off. We want opt-in for trash features, not opt-out
Yeah but if it’s opt in it won’t look good on spreadsheets for people who didn’t opt out to say to investors look at how many people “use” this feature.
I hope this doesn't screw over the forks like LibreWolf, IceCat, and Waterfox.
You already lost my trust at "something you can turn off". This shit doesn't not need to be enabled by default in the first place.
People trust our brand.
Unspoken rest of the idea, “Let’s take advantage of that.”
Cool, cool... time to unistall Firefox then.
I feel like we are just collectively on the cusp of discovering a new browser and walking away from Firefox.
Just the way we all discovered Firefox back in the day and said fuck any other browser.
I've stuck with Mozilla for so long despite missing a lot of things I could've had, you know, for freedom.
But this is not the correct course anymore. This sounds like the same AI bullshit we get shoved down our throats everywhere.
Fuuuucckk!
Mozilla continuing to take wrong turns.
While this is obviously not thrilling news to the fuck_ai crowd, it isn’t that bad either.
A new CEO is going to express a grand vision. In fact, we kind of hope they do lest they be weaselly caretakers who flip-flop on major initiatives.
And AI is pretty much every other word in any tech CEO’s statement right now. They get penalized if they don’t use it. I’m reading it here like, “All you big institutional donors, don’t fret we’re still in the goddamned boat with you fuckers” while at the same time saying “well turn it off if you want” - a kind of common sense statement sorely lacking in exactly this kind of statement.
So I give it a B- / C+. Not in danger yet, just needs improvement. A statement like this can’t really “win” anything so you want people to be sort of interested and kinda bored with it. Perfect.
I love your optimism. I don't share it, but I love it. I hope you're right.
We will develope a new API in partnership with AI providers that allows for tighter integration with our browser. To the point, a user can easily make it agentic if they want to. Or they can opt into the parts they want.
We are starting a new team that will work with such AI developers to ensure that the plugins they deploy both properly notify/request user permissions and only send the data they say they will.
That's the "Let's go AI!" while also being "We aren't sheep!" message.
Firefox should be the "user choice" browser
Business speak like always, which tbh normal people should just tune out. We'll see if firefox changes for the good or for the worse when it gets updated.
Give it a little more thought and I'm sure you'll come to the same conclusion as most of us
This is not why I use firefox
But what does "modern AI browser" mean. Do I need tokens for web searches? Tokens for page loads? Am I only allowed to go to sites the browser decides based on my past history, also paid for with tokens?
I hope all those added AI features everyone pushes out now are implemented in a way so that the rest of the software still works after the AI bubble bursts.
Otherwise, we're being steered towards a catastrophe of apocalyptic proportions.
Thank Satan for all those projects that de-trash Firefox for everyone. Not waterfox though, that dev has explicitly said he isn’t committed to personal privacy and such.
Ok get fucked Mozilla. Lynx it is...
I forgot to make a donation to Ladybird. Mozilla is fucked up beyond repair.
April fools! Haha... Wait... Guys?... It's April, right?.... Guys?.... Tell me it's FUCKING APRIL!
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Does Ladybird have a release date yet?
An alpha release for early adopters is supposedly coming in 2026. Fingers crossed!
Again, I’m a pro (local) LLM extremist as far as the Fediverse goes, but “automated” browsers should not be shipped by default like this.
It should be a separate tool or “mode” or extension you choose to activate temporarily, with very narrow scopes. Things like “turn this webpage dark and get rid of the autoplay videos” or “filter the AI slop from these results” or “put this messy shopping site into a table for me.” Not the 100,000th implementation of an “ask me anything!” Chatbot shoved in your face like Copilot.
And FYI, we already have them. FF doesn’t need to do it:
https://github.com/browseros-ai/BrowserOS
https://github.com/ItzCrazyKns/Perplexica
Honestly, “AI” feels like a disease infecting boards and high level executives. Or perhaps more accurately, the Orions Arm definition of a Meme:
https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/47abccd6ee698
Memetic Demons are self-perpetuating patterns which use mental and social processes as their hardware and software, propagating ideas and belief systems with negative social and psychological effects.
Where - as standard totemic memes often work to attain the best for all sentients they come in contact with, or at least maintain an equilibrium (happiness vs. suffering, life vs. death), memetic demons seem to promote their own group or cause at the expense of all others. This may include any number of clever and insidious behaviors that either attack sentients external to the group or coerce the initiation of individuals reasoned to be "strong" in some regard.
Even for a company like Mozilla, once the idea is planted, it’s like they can’t think straight, and feel compelled to shove copilot into whatever their specialization is immediately.
Well fuck
RIP
Oof on to the next one
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