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[–] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 119 points 4 days ago (10 children)

As much as I love a good Ten Minutes Hate directed at some carbrain too lazy to walk 4km, it seems I'm going to have to be the one to point out that it's entirely possible that this person's route to work is far too dangerous to walk, let alone cycle.

Just look at that strip of paint some of you are calling a bike lane. Maybe you would be willing to risk your life squeezing amongst the monster trucks on a bike, but I certainly wouldn't. And walk? Breathing all those tailpipe fumes for 30-60min? Hell no. This person may well be looking at 4km of car-exclusive road to get to work.

So instead of ripping into this poor soul for being lazy, maybe we should be considering the very real possibility that their options are limited by poor infrastructure/planning/politics.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 65 points 4 days ago

Not Just Bikes has pointed out in numerous videos places where the distance is walkable/bikeable but totally unsafe to walk or bike. Carbrain infrastructure is not just bad because it centers cars, but because it excludes every other option.

[–] Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Very sarcastic comment, but if the traffic is bad enough then it becomes safe to cycle again because of how little anyone in a car can move.

[–] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Actually, that's a pretty good strategy. I quite like cycling around in heavy traffic for exactly this reason.

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[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 29 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The aggravating part isn't not the lazy, but their complaint that they are building more density surrounding it's area. A less carbrained person would see that as an opportunity to push for bike lanes and public transit.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

it’s entirely possible that this person’s route to work is far too dangerous to walk, let alone cycle.

If only there was some kind of enlongated multi-passanger vehicle they could use

[–] BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

proceeds to wait 45 minutes in traffic AND 15 minutes additional for the bus

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[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago

The traffic is moving at walking speed. It's definitely not dangerous to ride bike there...

[–] Soulg@ani.social 6 points 3 days ago

This comment is way too reasonable to exist in this community

[–] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 12 points 4 days ago

That is just a narrow shoulder, you're asking to die riding a bike on that.

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[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 132 points 4 days ago (8 children)

3 miles over 45 minutes. You can literally walk briskly faster than that!

[–] DrCake@lemmy.world 50 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Honestly the number of people in that thread claiming that walking 3 miles in 45mins was some super human ability was shocking. I’d bet good money that they have never actually walked more than 5 mins anywhere other than maybe when shopping.

[–] owsei@programming.dev 39 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Ok, wait. I regularly take a 1.5km (close to a mile) path uphill that I need 20min to walk (and people say I'm a fast walker). How are you all walking so fast? I need to wait for trafic semaphores and stuff, but how can walking almost 5km (more than 3 times my path) take only twice as long?

[–] aim_at_me@lemmy.nz 1 points 14 minutes ago

Yeah my sustainable walking pace is around 4.5kph on flat terrain. And I'm a pretty quick walker. Which is around 2.5mph. 3 miles is probably a 70 minute walk for me.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 13 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I walk fast cause I'm 2 m tall and have long legs, but my ex used to walk a Pokemon go route with me that was 1.6 miles and it took us just about an hour to go through it and back. She was not very tall and had no problem keeping up.

[–] olosta@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago (1 children)

5km in an hour is a brisk walk. In 45 minutes it's probably closer to a jog. It's not super human but it's not a normal walking pace.

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Medan human walking speed is ~4 MPH* so, actually, yeah pretty much half of people aren’t going to be able to do 3 miles in 45 minutes right off the bat. That’s before we take into account crosswalks and other walking hazards and that obesity and sedentary lifestyles are on the rise.

* I was taught 5 MPH but I found multiple sources that listed 5, 4, and 3 MPH so yeah…

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 days ago

As a 5' person, 3 mph is a sweaty pace for me even in cold weather. Someone with long legs might find 5 mph easy but I'd be running.

[–] Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

3 mi in 45 min? That's about 6 or 7 kph. That's a brisk walking pace. And a bicycle easily does twice, maybe even thrice that.

[–] bytesonbike@discuss.online 30 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Not if there are dogs, or bees. Or the dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark, they shoot bees at you.

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[–] happydoors@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

A bicycle would make him feel like Superman

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[–] termaxima@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 days ago

That's a 40 minute walk if you walk fast. Get a bike and it's probably 20 minutes (at least I tend to cycle around twice as fast as I walk)

[–] socsa@piefed.social 77 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] victorz@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Four words of complete murder, well played 😆👌

[–] RockBottom@feddit.org 73 points 4 days ago (2 children)

That's a bicycle distance.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 52 points 4 days ago

Hell that's a walk distance for many of us.

[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 41 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It would be if decent bike infrastructure existed.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 23 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It probably wouldn't be super pleasant biking on the sidewalk in that picture in the dark... But it might be more pleasant than sitting in the car right there for 45 minutes.

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[–] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago

I use an electric stand up scooter and a full face helmet. 3 miles is 20 minutes.

[–] Zenjal@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I walk 3.3 miles to and from work, 3 days a week, takes less than an hour, even if I had a car I'd do that over a 45 minute drive, thas crazy business

[–] f314@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

This doesn’t really look like a place with great infrastructure for walking, though 😅

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 days ago

If they're building infill density, they should also build frequent public transit. Even something as simple as dedicated bus lanes would be enough.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 52 points 4 days ago (2 children)

3 miles = 4.82Km for the rest is us.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 42 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Looks like a bike lane right there.

[–] mushroommunk@lemmy.today 22 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The amount of car brain in people is insane. I used to live in an apartment literally two buildings down from my work. Could see it from my window. My roommate still drove every single day. Dude lived in the gym so not like he couldn't do the walk

[–] Ethalis@jlai.lu 15 points 4 days ago

Honestly I'm so glad I started biking to my high school all those years ago, it conditioned me to view biking as a natural solution for my daily commutes.

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I was gonna say, ride a fuckin bike bitch.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

That's a gutter. But then again, most US bike lanes are just rebranded gutters. I'd bike it.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I dont think Reddit or Spez have any involvement with OP's traffic issues.

But maybe I'm just not informed. 🤔

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[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

The Republican shithole burb I live in is determined to bulldoze what little open space remains, and stack more apartments on top of overpriced apartments. No improvements of course. I have to slog 4 miles to the nearest shopping, and if I had to take the bus? A simple errand could run four hours.

[–] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If they only had one more lane...

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[–] Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 4 days ago

So... they're making more housing that is closer to your job? Move there. Now you have a shorter commute. Congrats.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago

Knocking out my daily jog on the way to or from work would be amazing.

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