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[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Not to mention how much other stuff was stolen from young people, like how awesome the internet was in the mid-2000's before it got absolutely destroyed by corporations - game consoles that didn't require 35 accounts to play a game ONLINE ONLY and a subscription to EVERYTHING in your life. Sure, it's always been bad (because capitalism) but not THIS bad. And it'll only get worse as the population becomes less tech literate.

Kids just go with it now, and it's really sad, they don't know anything different.

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[–] saimen@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago

Yeah I mean where do you think all these billionaires got their money from?

[–] AlexLost@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This was "middle class" and not everybody. The goalposts moved and middle class is now in the mid 500ks take home. Wages never kept up, so the classes shrank by default. It was and is all planned by those at the top to syphon off more and more so they can elevate themselves from us common plebs. Almost like cycles in nature? We fight and gain concessions, they slowly roll them back until we start again...

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

No, this was everybody. I don’t think there was a single exception to this lifestyle whatsoever.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

But you don't need an income that high for the lifestyle described, outside of major cities anyway. UK here for context, I would only really expect needing a high income in London. I live on the south coast, if it wasn't for house prices and mortgage rates 1 minimum wage part time income would cover this lifestyle. Unfortunately I need to pay £1100 a month for decades instead. Maybe after a while inflation will make that easier.

All other expenses a month? £170 council tax (sorta like property tax but far more regressive), £100 energy, £24 internet, water is so cheap I haven't really tracked it, under £20, food £100 or so for 2. All essentials for aboit £420 a month or 34 hours at minimum wage - for the month!

Unfortunately stuck paying the majority of my income on a mortgage.

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

water is so cheap

Tell me you don't have Thames Water without telling me you dont't have Thames fucking Water

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Well yeah, I said my mortgage is £1100 not my rent is £6000 a month. Its cheap when your water company just dumps the sewage into the sea.

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[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Which people lived this life? Is how we are organised today incompatible with the way they viewed the world?

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 97 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

And to make that happen:

  1. The gilded age made some robber barons insanely rich (though not as rich as the current American oligarchs)
  2. There was a huge economic crash, called the Great Depression, during which the excesses of the rich were incredibly unpopular and the rich felt in real danger
  3. To get out of the Great Depression, the US Government created all kinds of "socialist" programs to help people get back on their feet, strengthen unions, regulate business, make massive investments in US infrastructure, etc.
  4. Right as the Great Depression was ending, WWII began
  5. For a while the US was "neutral", and was manufacturing war materiel for the various countries at war, though mostly for the Allied side. This involved huge amounts of government spending.
  6. Then, a few years after WWII began, the US entered the war, and spending ramped up even more.
  7. Virtually every other modern economy in the world had its infrastructure destroyed during the war. Britain was bombed relentlessly, Germany was flattened, Japan was nuked, France was turned into Rubble, the USSR's factories were destroyed as Germany advanced and partially rebuilt in the middle of nowhere.
  8. The war ended and while every other country was rebuilding their shattered infrastructure, the US infrastructure was running hot and able to supply the world's needs
  9. American workers were massively in demand because it was almost the only remaining industrialized country with intact factories
  10. American workers still retained the massive worker benefits and union membership that was the result of the New Deal economy

So, take that sequence, and for a brief moment a white, male worker in the US could support a family on a blue-collar salary in a way they hadn't ever done before that. Once other countries rebuilt their infrastructure, the US lost that edge. Once American businesses pushed for the roll-back of worker protections, blue-collar workers lost that benefit. Bit, by bit, the world returned to the way it has normally been, where the lowest class barely survives and both parents work hard, while the rich benefit.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Fantastic post, well done, sir.

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 days ago (4 children)

And since then, productivity exploded. Machines and automation everywhere. We are in the age of overconsumption. And value is created at an always acceleratind pace.

But then things started to slow down. But wealth growth can't slow down! It has to grow, always, and always faster. So when "produce more" stopped working, they turned to "produce for cheap".

They started cutting spendings and benefits. But it wasn't enough. And they told western workers that they were no longer competitive. Yes, that plant they're shutting down was making money. But it would make MORE money in China and other third world countries.

And while plants were going away, salaries got stagnant. Wealth was growing again!

But then the growth slowed down again. So they bought governments to get huge subsidies they could funnel in their wealth growth again.

And now plants are "optimal". Wages are low. Govs hand out money. Why is it not working?

Because they impoverished so much the working class that there is no one left to buy the goods they produce.

The problem is obvious to anyone looking: money is needed for the economy to run. If it's all locked up by oligarchs, then it serves no purpose and the economy suffocates. And there is no remote way a handful of people can manage the world's economy. "Trickle down economy" has failed everywhere and everytime it was attempted. So they're terrified. Terrified of the working class, terrified of common good, terrified of common sense.

So to make sure they can keep hoarding whatever is left to get, they turned to fascists and propped them across the world, by controlling medias and flooding social networks.

And here we are: in the age of overproduction and mass poverty combined, with a class of scared oligarchs ready to take the world down with them as long as no one stops their wealth hoarding.

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

So the take away from what you're saying is, we need to fast track WWIII, and sit out of it. Let the world nuke each other while we sit back and eat popcorn while we sell them even MORE bombs to blow each other up!

........oh my god. I was being dramatic, but that sounds exactly like Bidens plan with Ukraine. Sell them weapons, but not enough to end the war. Just prolong it. I am baffled that trump hasn't gone the opposite route and sold russia nukes. I was fully expecting that.

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[–] justaman123@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah the position of privilege that America occupied globally for the last 75 years minus the last ten or twenty years is not something that's talked about enough in "they" took the American dream from us

[–] Hyperrealism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

And what that position of privilege cost the rest of the world. For example, Eisenhower was president from '53-'61, is often seen as a great president by Americans, and that decade is seen as a golden age by plenty of Americans (especially boomers).

Outside the US, Eisenhower had Lumumba assassinated in the Democratic Republic of Congo. The replacement they helped install, Mobutu, basically continued the brutal rule and many of the atrocities that had occured in the Congo Free State (death toll as high as 10 million), so that minerals could continue to be extracted. Ultimately this would lead to the first and second congo war and an additional 5 million deaths. Fun fact: a few years ago Tesla/Musk signed a large contract with a company which was formed from a merger of companies including the successor of Compagnie du Katanga. The latter was a concession company that operated in the Congo Free State and is responsible for plenty of the worst atrocities committed during that time. Just in case anyone here thinks colonialism was a long time ago. There's also stuff like the Guatamalan genocide which was a result of the CIA instigated coup of 1954, the 1953 Iranian coup which would ultimately result in Iran becoming an Islamic theocracy, and his signing a deal with Franco which arguably prolonged his rule.

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[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 17 hours ago (3 children)
  1. Shows and sitcoms don't portray mundane life, they portray what people want to see, not perfect, but not reality either. Similarly to how "backdrop" style in mall buildings and such isn't normal life. It's glossier, even if not palace-like.

  2. USA. The country that is known elsewhere as having been filthy rich relatively to the rest of the world those years.

  3. The "normal" good life was, yes, more common. But that life was also more labor, it required you to know how to fix your shoes and clocks and wiring and plumbing, even if you'd be able to call plumbers and electricians, - because calling someone to do a job wasn't what it is now, you didn't have the Internet and aggregators and contact centers.

  4. There were no Google. You'd do more work on decisions and relationships, and every action would be more unique. Cost you more and give you more. You still can find such life for yourself. You will be happier, but it will be harder. Of course, you won't change the economy in general.

  5. Stolen ... Well, what are you going to do about it? Your life is approaching what's normal elsewhere (still bigger living spaces, bigger food portions and more pretentious communication are normal in the USA as compared to Europe). I agree that things becoming worse are, ahem, not good. So what will you do?

I'm reading Saint-Exupery's "Citadel" now, and he's right about one thing, just sharing everything equally is not the way to improve your life or anyone else's. Happiness will follow work leading to something. You feel happier when participating in building a railway bridge, not so much when making a restaurant's website. Level of life, I think, follows happiness. It's not about what the society as a whole has, it's about bravery and ability to dream of all people in it.

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[–] Debaser@reddthat.com 4 points 1 day ago

Ah yes, the art of "Enshittification" i.e., profit over product. And obviously you are the product for the billionaires and vertainly not other way around. https://www.themurrowproject.org/p/the-enshitification-of-everything

[–] definitelynotavampire@piefed.social 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm only in my 30s. My dad supported our family on a high school education. I don't have a college education but I did two different certification programs to work in my field. I'm single with no kids and live alone and I'm still struggling. I don't know how anyone has a family right now. I can't even afford me. I'm so mad that my dad raised an entire family and bought and paid off a house and I can barely pay my damn rent and buy groceries with a better education and job than what he had.

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[–] Wigglesworth@retrolemmy.com 20 points 2 days ago

Don't worry. It'll get worse.

[–] Event_Horizon@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

It wasn't even that long ago either. It was still relatively common to have single income households in the 80's when I was born.

My mum wasn't working at all when my older siblings were born, and she only started working when I started preschool.

Also, her minimum wage income boosted my parents savings so much they were able to buy an investment property and drop money into other things.

[–] sixtoe@lemmy.blahaj.zone -5 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

This is some white shit right here

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 days ago

Those same people also had pensions for life once they retired in their 50s. They also didn't have to pay for health insurance.

[–] edahs@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

My folks got married in the 60s. They bought their first house in the early 70s for 32k. 3 bed / 1 bath house with a big backyard in a decent neighborhood (albeit on a busy street). My mom and dad both worked, but my mom stopped when I was born (early 70s). House was tiny, about 800sq ft. They upgraded in the mid eighties for 120k. Bigger place on a quieter street. Mom was back to working again but we were able to take multiple vacations a year. Camping, Disney, etc. Today, I'm not sure they could do it. Sure they would be making more but the first house? 640k. Thats a 1900% increase. Thats about 6% increase year on year compounded. How has the salary growth been for the same period? 1% - 1.5% compounded yoy (inflation adjusted). Fucking gross.

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