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[–] ofthemasses@lemmy.world 1 points 6 minutes ago

I'm sorry but this article is a laugh: "But while it has fallen short in the past, there was always broad bipartisan agreement over what the U.S. should be: a reliable ally; a country that supports those less fortunate, stands up against tyranny worldwide and is a beacon of freedom for human rights defenders."

I think it would be more accurate to say that the USAs optics have tried to pander this way. But now they are not even bothering with their PR. The USA has been wheeling and dealing even during WW2.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 16 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (3 children)

Conservatives have absolutely destroyed America's soft power. At least for an entire generation. They've made the rest of the world believe their shitstain childlike behavior is how all Americans act. This rapist president has made it clear to the rest of the world that agreements with the U.S. are worth no more than the paper they're written on.

These fucking knuckle draggers are weighing us down and will continue to do so after their rapist idol is dead and buried.

[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

The Democrats were unabashedly supporting genocide in Palestine and ran a candidate who vowed no deviation from that policy. If you think it's just Conservatives, you haven't been paying enough attention.

[–] Debaser@reddthat.com 1 points 1 hour ago

Affirmative. Good to vent. Also, be kindly reminded it isn't the first time in history this happens to a large and dominant culture, and regrettably it will unlikely be the last time...

[–] sausager@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago
[–] amniote@lemmy.world 11 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Where I live we have square kilometers of american GI's that liberated europe. As a first in human history victors did not loot or rape. Instead they scrambled to be home by christmas. Europe is forever indebted to these men and the people that led them.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 12 points 3 hours ago

Yeh and 99.5% of them have since passed away, all that's left is grift riding on the coat tails of stolen valor.

[–] glorkon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

I'm a German guy from Berlin, next year I'll be 50. My dad was born in 1944 and it's pretty safe to say he survived being cut off from food supplies by the Soviets only because Americans pulled off the Berlin Airlift. These brave pilots helped save the lives of people they had considered enemies not much earlier.

So I would not be alive were it not for Americans. Am I indebted to America? Fuck yes, of course I am.

Having said all that, it's so painful to see America turn to fascism - the very thing those GIs you mention fought against. A country I love, people I love, losing their minds and their hearts. Literally turning evil, led by a criminal lunatic who so obviously follows the demagogue playbook...

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 2 points 1 hour ago

Somewhat glad my grandpa, a WW2 vet isn't around to see it.

[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

If you're German, then your government aided and abetted the genocide in Palestine just like America did. I'm not sure what Germany's current state of involvement is, but I doubt they've entirely severed support for the fake state. It's not just us being run by criminal lunatics.

[–] BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network 23 points 9 hours ago

The US is a malign actor for the US as well. Our government has become a danger to our own citizens.

[–] fort_burp@feddit.nl -1 points 3 hours ago

This just means that white people are starting to find out.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 19 points 10 hours ago

They have always been. It's now just impossible to ignore.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine ruining 250 years of a successful democracy so you can line you and your friends pockets with filthy lucre while having sex with tweens. That guy stands for nothing and most of america has lost it's ability to feel shame or have any empathy. Both human traits.

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 15 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

250 years of a successful democracy

Lmfao. Jim Crow was a successful democracy? Literal slave ownership before that? Invasion of Iraq was successful Democracy? Bombing of Vietnam?

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I agree. There is always something dark in most histories of anything and everything. The good old usa did a lot of dirty shit under the guise of their 250 year old successful democracy. Don't confuse goodness and justice with democracy.

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 7 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The successful democracy that couldn't ever implement the overwhelmingly popular universal healthcare?

[–] fort_burp@feddit.nl 1 points 1 hour ago

No no, the one that has been at war for 246 of it's 250 year existence.

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 33 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

Still the bad joke of the world here.

Biggest prison population, most "asset forfeiture", most chemically polluted "food" supply, paying the most for worst healthcare, relatively non-existent public transport, hegemonic oligarchy pretending to be democracy spreading democracy by "regime change", "education" system indoctrinating insularity and ignorance,

[Edit + these the LLM added for me because it's an exhausting list to manually write] mass shootings as a cultural pastime, student debt as a life sentence, "freedom" measured in gun ownership but not in healthcare access, military budget bigger than the next ten countries combined, "infrastructure week" as a recurring punchline, two-party system that’s just one party with two heads, "justice" system that’s a revolving door for the rich and a trapdoor for the poor, "American Dream" now just a subscription service with hidden fees, [Edit: and the list can go on for at least twice as long again yet.]

and a corporate monopoly media to bind peoples minds by.

... "land of the free", "USA number one!".

XD

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 148 points 1 day ago (19 children)

The real shock to Americans will be when they discover this can't be fixed.

Americans want to believe that relations will return to normal once the democrats are back in power. But, they don't understand that the loss of trust in the US is permanent. Sure, if the democrats take back power and want to negotiate trade deals, other countries may sign them. They're just not going to believe that the US can be trusted to honour the terms of those trade deals, and will structure the deals accordingly. Trump's 2 terms show that a treaty signed by the US is meaningless, because a president like Trump can come along and just rip it up. They've also showed that support for someone Trump-like is close enough to 50% that it can easily happen again.

The momentum of international trade, and the vast power the US wields means that there won't be a sudden cutting off of the US. But, bit by bit, even former staunch allies are going to start slowly pivoting away from the US whenever possible no matter who's elected and how big a landslide it is.

[–] fort_burp@feddit.nl 1 points 1 hour ago

A lot of "always has been" in this thread but

a treaty signed by the US is meaningless

this is literally the USA's origin story lol

[–] Catma@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Trump has ripped up or tried to cancel deals he made in his first term. Why any nation would bother to negotiate with the US right now is beyond me. Nothing can be trusted from this administration or any one to come

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why any nation would bother to negotiate with the US right now is beyond me

It's because they don't really have a choice. If it were say, Australia, that had gone off the rails, they could just be ignored. But, the US is still such a central part of the world's economy, and there are so many important companies based out of the US, that it's not possible just to pull the plug. In addition, if countries didn't negotiate with Trump he might see it as a slight and send in the navy to interdict "drug boats" or something.

This also makes things look like they're better than they are. People see trade deals being negotiated and think "well, if that's happening, then things aren't that far gone. The reality is that countries used to negotiate trade deals with the US because, even when they felt they were being pressured to cave to US demands, they could at least count on the US to more-or-less honour the terms of the deal when it was done. I think countries are now dealing with the US because they have to, but they're really just going through the motions, not expecting that the result will actually be a binding agreement.

[–] BoycottTwitter@lemmy.zip 8 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

About nations not having a choice there is truth to that but I want to focus on something nations can do to. Study in particular which companies support Trump the most and work to find replacements for those. For example the fossil fuel industry is a significant backer of Trump and Republicans. This means countries who are rightfully upset about Trump and buy fossil fuels from the US should make switching to renewable energy a huge priority maybe even do it at cost or subsidize the transition. This means fossil fuel companies will have less money and less to give to Republicans.

Also for people who live in blue states contact your state politicians and demand a faster transition to renewables too.

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 17 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (5 children)

Americans do not take the situation seriously. They either think they have no power to personally fix it, so contributing to any effort is pointless, or that it's just more of the same politics as before and can't tell the difference. They are encouraged to stay out of the way because they are the only force that seems to be capable of stopping it at this point.

Once Trump and the GOP destroy the framework of power the constitution defines, there are no rules anymore, only power, and the constitution really does mean nothing. The relationship America built with the world since WW1 will be over and won't return as democratic nations can not remain interdependent with a fascist America. America will be another authoritarian regime using violence as the solution to every problem, including domestic problems. Those problems will only increase because an authoritarian leadership is functionally incapable of managing a non-authoritarian system. America will transition, painfully and violently, to a fascist state and the dream that was America will be dead. All at the hands of a TV show personality and the generations raised by TV, which is both sad and painfully American.

Edit: Not enough Americans...

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (4 children)

Good. Obviously it was wrong to trust the US this entire time. It’s time to dismantle the post-WW2 American dominance over the world, and move toward a more multilateral future. This process feels scary and might be quite difficult, but it’s important and it’s time. No one country should be considered the world’s policeman or supreme authority. I just hope that everyone shaking their head at the US realizes that they can only sit there doing that for so long, because the very next thing they need to urgently do is step the fuck up into that leadership vacuum before dictators do.

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[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 35 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (4 children)

The triumph of disinformation, greed, and self-centered ultraconservatism; a country about to implode.

[–] BoycottTwitter@lemmy.zip 10 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

It could come to your country too unless you take action. I see so many other countries making the same mistakes we do here and it makes me so sad knowing that this could be their fate too unless they make different decisions.

The truth is I notice in Europe they too in my opinion haven't done enough to combat disinformation for sure they're better than we are but it's not enough.

What we need is for every child to be taught as much as possible about critical thinking, propaganda and disinformation. The quality of education children get is super important. In addition I believe emotional resilience must be taught in schools somehow.

Please for everyone reading this contact your politicians or your school board and demand more done to combat disinformation.

Also remember we are all in this together. Look at all the Trump copycats there are in the world. Look at how Trump learned from Hungary and Russia. Because they were not stopped in one country they feel safe doing it in another. We as people must support each other and stand up for each other when bad things are happening somewhere because when something bad happens to someone else it could one day be you it happens to.

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[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 229 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Bruh, for most of the US the US is a malign actor.

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 7 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

No no, just keep chanting "USA! Number one!" more often again. That'll mend it. LOL. Or at least just give us all a good laugh at you. Always funny when you guys do that. Like "this is fine" wasn't strong enough.

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 54 points 1 day ago

For most of the world, capital is a malign actor and the US has the highest concentration.

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 32 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Speaking as an American I expect to be fucked by this for the rest of my life (and rightfully so) if one jackass getting put in office can fuck things up this badly we shouldn't be trusted as an ally or trade partner. There's a lot of work to be done to ensure this can't happen again and I don't believe it will ever happen. At least not anytime soon. We are at the peak (I hope) of the weakest of weak men times.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 10 points 22 hours ago

Thanks to MAGA, the 1st World views the USA on the same level as Russia, China and their allies. The article is spot on in regard to the future.

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