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"the medium is silica crystal, similar to optical cable, it's highly durable. It's also capacious: The technology can store up to 360 TB of data on a 5-inch glass platter."

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[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 day ago (3 children)

See, now this is the tech I would understand pouring billions into. Give every nation on earth a durable copy of the last 100 years of medicine, physics, biology. That's what a reasonable ruling class ought to do.

[–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

At least give them to the nations which aren't currently trying to ignore and undo the last 100 years of medicine, physics, and biology. (Sorry, United States.)

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[–] probable_possum@leminal.space 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Good luck finding a reading device for it in 100y, let alone 14 billion years. I doubt there will be a human civilization a few thousand years from now. :)

Remember how humanity had problems understanding the meaning of ancient egypt hyroglyphs from just a few thousand years back until The Rosetta stone was found and some really clever and dedicated guy put an awful lot of work into the translation? Good luck with JPG images or pdf documents or even ASCII text.

It's OK to make fun of non-existing/ not yet market ready devices, no?

[–] ILoveUnions@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Images would likely be the easiest possible thing to translate compared to more arbitrary codes since in that situation the output should be more easily decodable?

Also, there's plenty of easy solutions to that.

[–] probable_possum@leminal.space 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I thought it would be hard to reverse engineer the compression algorithms used in JPEG images. Or even understand what the data structure is supposed to be to begin with.

I agree. If easy accessibility for future archeologists was the goal one could maybe use 1 or more 2D matrices of scalar values to represent monochromatic images. Or just etch the pixels of the image itself in the medium - like we do with microfiche.

[–] ieGod@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Why would you need to reverse engineer the compression algorithm? The output can be viewed without that. I don't need to know how you got to my party to have a good time with you :)

[–] pot_belly_mole@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

IIRC the thing is, you first present the key to the structure in some simple form, and then the rest of the data can be more complex.

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[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (10 children)

This grinds my gears any time that a product is touted as lasting X time. Did you put it through a typical use case or scenario for that X time? No? Then you cannot definitively say that it will last that long.

Based on their bullshit statement, I can last 7 years pounding someone's ass relentlessly without pause for any reason. Trust me bro.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 day ago (6 children)

The degradation of materials is pretty well understood. If it’s truly cut from a well known material with zero factors that could effect that degradation, it’s mostly safe to make en educated wish.

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[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

You can stimulate wear on different types of materials and get a general idea of how long it would last. This isn't plastic in a dvd.

[–] arbitrary_sarcasm@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I mean, people do predict things based on evidence. Galileo didn't actually go to outer space and verify that the earth was going around the sun.

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[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Any volunteers for testing the claim?

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[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 54 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

I wonder what the read write speed is. Imagine storing your entire movie collection in a crystal the size of a coaster.

Might not be for home consumers anytime soon, article says: “In the next 18 months, the company hopes to have a field-deployable read device that customers can use to read archived data. But SPhotonix isn't presently targeting the consumer market. Kazansky estimates that the initial cost of the read device will be about $6,000 and the initial cost of the write device will be about $30,000.”

Then goes on to mention they need about 3-4 years of R&D so they can be ready to license the tech

[–] boring_bohr@feddit.org 40 points 1 day ago (3 children)

In case you missed it in the article, the transfer speeds are mentioned just two paragraphs prior to the one you cited:

Over the next three to four years, Kazansky said, SPhotonix aims to improve the data transfer speed of its technology from a write time of 4 megabytes per second (MBps) and read time of 30 MBps to a read/write speed of 500 MBps, which would be competitive with archival tape backup systems.

[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

I was so blind sided by the fact that the tech isn’t for consumers that I forgot to mention the r/w speeds

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 49 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If it's slow, then it's the central backup and you use anything else for regular use. Just having it as a fallback for recovery would be huge.

[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’ll have a crystal collection that’s actually useful

[–] Jerkface@piefed.social 38 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

"This one's for memory."
"You actually believe in that garbage?"
"No, you don't understand..."

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[–] yggstyle@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's the joke. The speed of a lot of these tech would require twice the time the data retention to write it.

We can place atoms in order on the head of this pin and store 30 Pb. Write speed? 1KB/min

[–] SorryQuick@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

Did you read the article? 30mbps is faster than a lot of people’s internets. It’s not fast, but for a prototype, it’s not bad.

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[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That’s cheap enough a small business could do long term backups for individuals and other small businesses.

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[–] kalkulat@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Manipulating the atoms in a crystal to store info is extremely high-precision, as is verifying the accuracy of the write). So is reading positions down to a few nanometers, But consumers wouldn't need a $6000 reader to get, say, 10GB dumped to a hard drive ... you'd carry your crystal and 16GB drive down to the corner store and user their reader to dump sector 37BJ to the drive. No need to trust them with your platter ... but are you exposing all 360TB to potential damage from the machine?

[–] asbestos@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (3 children)
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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Waiting for the consumer reader and writer of those things, call me then

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago

Not the business plan. This will be used as an archiving service for $$$.

[–] sunbeam60@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Totally. This is the data equivalent of a “new battery tech will revolutionise your phone” post.

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[–] dparticiple@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A friendly request - please de-clickbait your headlines and say what the material is (although you do mention it in your summary).

[–] tate@lemmy.sdf.org 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When a post is a link to an article, I would prefer that the post title match the article. Many news communities actually require that.

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[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago

It's amazing to see all the effort we all put in perfecting technology to long-term store our porn. 360TB? I'd like to order 2 please.

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh yeah? Well take a look at these Elder Scrolls over here.

Wait no, not literally! 😵‍💫 🔥

[–] Strobelt@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Skyrim Silica Crystal Edition

[–] Deebster@programming.dev 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"We are a technology licensing company"

This is good news from the point of view of being able to create devices that can read these crystals; as a comment on the linked site says:

The realistic lifetime of storage is the life of the last manufactured or surviving retrieval device.

[–] sunbeam60@feddit.uk 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Tbh my own personal use case is getting buried with all of my data and become some kind of data-“Tollund man” in the year 4000, when they dig up my data cube and study it endlessly.

I expect them to build a reading device to do this; it’s the least I would expect if they want to study the holiday I was on in Bergen, or completely misunderstand the two hotdog pictures I happen to have as some kind of fellatio training device.

“Myes, we do believe family structures were loosely organised around the remote picture beaming devices that used to be called “te levision”

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[–] nostrauxendar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Not if I have anything to do with it

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

Best prank idea: Put someone's browsing history on one of those.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

"a 5-inch glass platter." Found the weak point...

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