Political Memes

They're the orange cat of people, malicious, disruptive, destructive, and only have a community brain cell to share around them.

A murder is a murder, legally speaking.

Tbh, the big issue with why nazis exist in these large quantities is that the financial situation of people is going down. That's the one big thing there. And left-wing parties mostly all over the world did nothing against that.

The rich, the billionaires and all that lot are siphoning wealth off the rest of the world and nobody does anything against that. Instead, left-wing parties got entangled in social justice topics (which are important) but completely forgot left economics (which are critical). Left-wing discussion moved from important but rather boring topics (e.g. how to distribute wealth better) to extremely polarizing but not that critical-to-daily-life topics (e.g. "This politician used a word wrong!").

That was basically the whole 2000s and the first half of the 2010s.

In the 1990s, nazis were hardly a thing because people had jobs, housing and food. That's changed now. And since the left-wing parties aren't about to change anything, people are flocking to right-wing parties and -ideologies because they are literally to dumb to understand that the change that right-wing is going to effect is change against the people.

But if we actually wanted to stop nazis, we would have to abolish billionaires (and pretty much anyone who has more than >50 million) and redistribute wealth. We need a new new deal. Because what killed the nazis wasn't WW2, but new deal economics.

So what's the plan then buddy? Because the authoritarians have no problem with violence.

What if I'm sitting with them in order to better slip some poison in their drink when not looking?

Oh, I don't know, I think the ones that have been lit on fire are alright.

"they can always stop being Nazis."

Assholes:

"Well you can also stop being the thing that you're being oppressed for!"

Me:

"Stop being disabled? Yeah, no, I wish I could, but the only way I could stop being disabled is by not being alive"

Assholes:

"..."

Me:

"Oh, that's what you meant, isn't it? Cool, so you're not just a Nazi apologist, you're literally a Nazi. Good to know"

they can always stop being Nazis

I think that's something a lot of right wing people struggle to comprehend.

Left wing violence is targeted toward those who would do us harm, i.e. Nazis. It's self defence.

Right wing violence is targeted toward those who they believe is causing harm. In their minds it's the same justification, self defence.

The difference is you can choose to be intolerant or not, you can choose to treat others with kindness or not, you can choose to be a Nazi or not. You can't choose whether you're gay, black, trans, disabled, Jewish, whatever form of "other" they have chosen.

Obviously there's also the fact that being "other" isn't harmful in any way. But that's a separate rabbithole of delusion that needs tackled.

I so want to go back to a wave of media about brutal violence towards Nazis.

Sure, put in a moral dilemma. A little “Is it really okay for us to be doing this?” Just certify that the answer is YES.

The cure comes with not putting down the bat.

I find the analogy of the immune system useful in this respect: a tiered response, where the initial response is mainly about recruiting useful cells to the area. Some immune cells work by immobilising a pathogen and signalling to more specialist cells to come in and properly sort stuff out (prize for the most badass sounding cell is the T-killer cell). In this analogy, the people with regular bats are the ones immediately disabling the Nazi, keeping them down until the specialists with nails come along

So long as we live under the hierarchical authority of nation-states that creates the authoritative dynamic for fascism to take root, further enabled by the capitalist hegemony and the private ownership of necessity resources that keeps people reliant on these hierarchical powers, we will never truly defeat fascism. They will just run back to their hovels and bide time as the system helps them to consolidate wealth and power until they can again make their play for power.

I would say there are more Nazis now then there were in WW2, they just don't wear those uniforms, which were the best thing about the Nazis. So weird.

I refer to it as the tolerance pact. I'll tolerate the weird things you do, so long as they don't significantly affect the unwilling. In return, I expect you to tolerate the same from my weird stuff.

There's also a slightly weaker addition where I will help stand up for those that are both under the pact and under attack. ("They came for...")

Nazis and an alarming section of the political right are breaking that pact. They are void of protection by it.

This solution always made sense to me:

Another solution is to place tolerance in the context of social contract theory: to wit, tolerance should not be considered a virtue or moral principle, but rather an unspoken agreement within society to tolerate one another's differences as long as no harm to others arises from same. In this formulation, one being intolerant is violating the contract, and therefore is no longer protected by it against the rest of society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance?wprov=sfla1