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YouTuber Ms Rachel says LGBTQ+ allyship is important as a Christian: ‘No one is to be excluded’
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Although I appreciate her and her sentiment, this changes nothing that the big Ambrahamic religions stand fundamentally opposed to the existence of LGBTQ+ people. To a point of justifying genocide against them.
The only realistic solution to ensure the equality and safety of LGBTQ+ people (and more) is the elimination of organized religion.
Religion is a cancer, and needs to be eradicated through education that specifically analyzes it and destroys it with logic and reasoning.
i don't know if religion is bad so much as zealotry (aware of the irony of my name; but that's a play on critical role and jester) the place i felt most accepted growing up queer was my family church an summer camp. my childhood pastor was one of the first people to write me and both congratulate and comfort me while also apologising for the national church's recent stances (a few years ago). granted it was a new england methodist church so i realize my privilge but still
My response, with respect, is that religion is always ever just a small walk away from fundamentalism and zelotry.
I'm sure you and countless billions have had wonderful experiences within an environment that happened to be religious. However, I would strongly disagree that the presence of religion in that environment was a fundamental requirement for the positive sides of those events to happen.
All benefits one can point to of religion can just as easily be present in secular settings as well.
My response, with respect, is that religion is always ever just a small walk away from fundamentalism and zealotry.
Billions currently live and have lived their religious lives without falling down this purported slippery slope which takes away from this point.
I would strongly disagree that the presence of religion in that environment was a fundamental requirement for the positive sides of those events to happen.
What secular equivalent is there to Christmas, Easter, Eid, Ramadan, Holi, Diwali etc? Why has no secular tradition been able to produce days of collective joy or reflection in a similar vein?
All benefits one can point to of religion can just as easily be present in secular settings as well.
Except happiness. Which according to the Pew Research Center is more common among the religious, for whatever reason.
Billions currently live and have lived their religious lives without falling down this purported slippery slope which takes away from this point.
This does nothing to take away from my point. If you'd want to argue against my point, you'd need to show a solid barrier between typical moderate religious beliefs and fundamentalism/zealotry.
I attest no such barrier exists outside of simple circumstances in which one hasn't lead the believer to the other... yet.
What secular equivalent is there to Christmas, Easter, Eid, Ramadan, Holi, Diwali etc? Why has no secular tradition been able to produce days of collective joy or reflection in a similar vein?
There are countless holidays and special events that aren't religious and see families and communities coming together.
Some examples in the US because that's where I have best context: 4th of July, The Superbowl, Memorial Day, Thanksgiving, Halloween, literally any other sporting event, New Years, etc.
Not to mention you also don't need a religious context to celebrate holidays that originate from religions such as Christmas, St. Valentine's day, Easter, etc.
Except happiness. Which according to the Pew Research Center is more common among the religious, for whatever reason.
This makes sense when you see it in the context in which Pew gathered that data, being in a country (the USA) that prioritizes special treatment towards the religious, most especially Christians.
There's also aspects such as false hope given to the religious, the gaslighting in religion to accept one's shitty circumstances, etc.
In general, agreed. Anyone that is religious and tolerant or supportive is absolutely an exception to the rule of religion. I have mostly religious friends, Catholic, even, but I make no mistake in knowing that religion is definitively, fundamentally a hostile force to queer people and anyone not like their most in-group. This has been proven time and time again and is so insidiously structured into doctrine.
Our ancestors had a mind tailored for survival. Religion exploits this.
Virtually all organized religions put heavy emphasis on life after death. This is because religion's main appeal, most especially to those in environments with high death rates, is the promise of eventual safety and peace in eternity.
Problem is, most of those religions immediately become tools of manipulation where you have to follow a very specific set of rules to get to paradise, or spend eternity suffering in Hell like you've never experienced before.
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