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California nearly triggered a seismic shift in American kitchens this fall.

A bill phasing out the sale of nonstick pans made with polytetrafluoroethylene—a type of PFAS “forever chemical”—cleared the state legislature in September with overwhelming support. Given the well-documented health risks associated with production of PTFE, commonly known as Teflon, advocates fully expected Gov. Gavin Newsom to sign SB 682 into law.

But then the celebrity chefs showed up.

Days before Newsom was set to rule on the bill, a wave of similarly worded letters to the California State Legislature appeared. Celebrity chefs Rachael Ray, David Chang, Thomas Keller, and Marcus Samuelsson all insisted that Teflon was safe when used correctly. Their letters warned that the bill was alarmist, unnecessary, and unfair to home cooks and professional chefs alike. Their message was polished, unified, and amplified across national media.

In the end, Newsom echoed their concerns. “I am deeply concerned about the impact this bill would have on the availability of affordable options in cooking products,” he wrote in his veto message.

But the chefs weren’t acting alone. They were working on behalf of The Cookware Sustainability Alliance, a newly created lobbying group representing some of the world’s largest pan manufacturers, which argued the bill would drive up consumer prices and needlessly restrict a “safe” product.

The reason the chefs’ letters aligned so cleanly with the CSA’s talking points is, in retrospect, unsurprising: They all have financial relationships with companies that produce and sell PTFE-coated pans—the same companies that fund the CSA, a joint investigation by Atmos and Heated found.

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[–] dellish@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

Veritasium did a great video on this. The Teflon coating itself isn't harmful, it's the process of putting the Teflon on the pan that creates a large amount of PFAS. These celebrity chefs are being disingenuous at best, but these days I can't even muster the energy to pretend to be surprised when people vote in favour of a puppy burning machine.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

This is why I don't think Newsom will make it through the primaries, he likes to talk the talk, but rarely actually backs it up.

[–] DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 20 hours ago

Any time you think it's not about the money, it's about the money.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 75 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Those same celebrity chefs that are given shitloads of cash to advertise shitty overpriced teflon pans? Also affordability? Lol. Cast iron is pretty cheap and will outlast you.

[–] budget_biochemist@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I remember when teflon pans first became popular and the celebrity chefs were all adamant that they were common trash unlike whatever bougie cookware they were using.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 points 14 hours ago

Probably hadn't been offered enough money yet to shill for chemical waste.

[–] Masterkraft0r@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 points 14 hours ago

Yeah, prefer cast iron myself for a frying pan but go with which ever you like. Got stainless for saucepans.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I switched to a carbon steel frying pan recently and couldn't be happier. All the benefits of cast iron but a fraction of the weight. Just as nonstick as Teflon without the health risks. Highly recommended.

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] qupada@fedia.io 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The beauty is you can just go and get one (which may have no brand name whatsoever) for $20 at a restaurant supply store.

If you want one that'll look nice in your kitchen, you could try one from De Buyer.

[–] TeNppa@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago

I have 2 De Buyers myself and they really are so much better than teflons. The instructions that came with it literally said: "The pan is usable unless it has a hole on it". The cheaper ones tend to be much thinner so they won't retain heat as well and can bend under heat and stress. Those De Buyers will go from generation to another.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Misen is the gold standard, but unless you are rich or a pro chef, the Merten and Storck pan is just as good.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Health risks aside, I hate Teflon shit. It wears out, throw it, buy another. And it's not a thing you usually get used because it's trashed.

I'm all in on cast iron, but now I have my eye on carbon steel pans. Had carbon steel knives for years, love to try a pan!

[–] noodles@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 day ago

Carbon steel is great, I've had a pan for about a year and it outperforms my 2 year old nonstick allclad hands down--even for french onlettes-if used right. Definitely a learning curve and a bit of work but also if it gets messed up it's not trash like the nonstick is.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Jesus fucking Christ. I thought The Purge was an idiotic idea. I'm no longer of the same mindset.

[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My impression was that Teflon pans became obsolete decades ago. We have so many better, affordable options now.

[–] ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ceramic non-stick is vastly more expensive.

[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It depends.

Go to tjmaxx and you can get a single ceramic coated pot or pan for $25 or so.

Do that for 1 large pot, 1 skillet, 1 veggie/sauce pan, and you're under $100 for 3 really good pots and pans.

[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 6 points 1 day ago

Same for hard anodized aluminium and nitrided iron, which I think are both safer than Teflon. And enamel?

[–] kindenough@kbin.earth 3 points 1 day ago

Great tip.

Tkmaxx here in Europe, got a 5L Brandani Dutch Oven for 44€ 2 weeks ago. I always check them for durable kitchen tools.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

And will last vastly longer, without the hassle of replacement and without having to deal with intermediate decay stages.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Great video about nonstick pans from Minute Food / Earth: https://youtu.be/R1hbV3EzOD4