Advanced strawman. Opposing fascism isn't far left. It's just not-right.
this post was submitted on 11 Dec 2025
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Me coming into the comments section:
i think the "current far left" supports authoritarianism, so not the opposite, just different flavor of the same side.
That's because the political compass is two-dimensional, but everyone insists on thinking of it as a one-dimensional thing.
You've got left wing and then you've got right wing, and then in the vertical direction you've got authoritarianism and libertarianism. When people say far right and far left what they really mean is that the extreme edges horizontally and right at the top vertically. Think Castro, and not Gandhi. Both were left wing but are nowhere near each other in political phasespace
Even the 2 dimensional compass is a simplification, though orders of magnitude better than the binary "left or right" simplification, and also better than the 2 dimensional gradient as well.
The US doesn’t really have a far left. It barely has a left. What MAGA calls left tends to be rather center, like the position that people should be able to afford healthcare.
"Radical left Joe Biden" will never not be funny.
also "left media" never has a foothold in the MSMs too.
How about we stop pretending that the left doesn't have its own share of emotionally damaged asshats and try to pick leadership that solves problems instead of pandering to one side or the other?
tankies are probably the worst presentation of the "left"
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The only thing I gather from these posts.
The right: We prefer a two party system.
The left: a vote for a third option weakens us in the battle against the right.
Centrists: I just want a third option that isn't democrats or republicans...
Too bad there isn't a political party representing "The Left"
I wish Americans had leftist politicians half as cool as the right likes to pretend they are.
From a Canadian instance, really? This shit is so frustrating to see. The whole two party nonsense that this bullshit pushes is exactly why the usa is in the mess they are in now.
No, people don't have to "pick a side" the ones who think in terms of teams are our enemy.
The problem is not there are two sides. The problem is that there is only one side with 2 parties with the rest left unrepresented.
The reason it is like that is that over many years the us system pushed the teamification of politics and enshrined only two parties in law. This was inevitable with only two parties, and should be a lesson to all other nations on the dangers of two party systems. The "us vs them" tricks of control are very easy when there is only two parties. It is poison to any democracy as no one is represented by ether "side" but everyone is sorted into a side and convinced the only way to fix anything is by having your side win (but of course there is no insensitive for ether party to actually fix anything, often the opposite).
The us has been trained (and sadly a lot of the world) that coalition rule is bad, even when its the only real way to have any sort of representation or guard rails in government. And you are right no one is represented now due to years and years of only two options that both know they are built into the systems of government so deep that their removal would require a new nation. After all this time there is no longer meaningful representation, but there is convenient scapegoats and excuses in pointing at the other side, so people in the us still think they live in a democratic system.
From my foreigner POV, it's not even two sides. It seems like it's MAGA vs everyone else.
Oh it looks that way on purpose, there are barely two parties and its used to control the people. When you see "everyone else" that is the trick, the other party that is not in power does nothing but gets to be seen the one that is "representing" that mass.
What if I informed you that there are more than two options, and they don't have to be extremities? And what if I followed up by informing you that what we have in the US, for a political spectrum, is not the norm elsewhere in the world?
The political spectrum in the U.S. omits leftists entirely. Both Republicans and Democrats are pro-capitalism and pro-U.S. imperialism.
And what if that not only changed nothing, but didn’t refute the post?
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Well, if youre a "centrist" like me, then you used that designation to try to get out of talking about politics with ass holes on both sides. And also i hate getting "prejudged" -everyone does- because i might like or dislike a certain politician. I am a centrist, truly, but I dont need to prove that to any of you. And this is what I mean when I say "both sides are the same" I mean you assholes harras, insult, degrade, tease, berate, and nearly threaten about how your side is "the good side" and the "otherside" equals the destruction of America. Yeah, well, both sides do that annoying shit. You want to tell me "there's no such thing as a centrist anymore" and that i am actually on the _________ side. Well f you, you dont get to tell me what side im on.
Maybe you just feel that since im not with you, that I must be against you? If that overly simple reasoning is where you are at, I dont think we should be friends anyway.
I dont want to be identified as red or blue, dem or repub. Honestly, im pretty conflict avoidant in general, and politics gets to be such nasty topic and can ruin family and friends. I see it happen more in the past few years than ever. Its really sad! And you know it too!
Can everyone please just put a sock in it for at least the rest of December? Can we all look for common ground and the things that we can share? Dont look at family through red or blue tinted glasses, but through the lens of love. Let's put our pride aside for a while and produce good times and love this holiday season.
Done :).
Centrists are actually with maga, they just don't wear the hat. See Fetterman, Schumer, Jeffries, etc
I'll summarize something I said before:
Democrats will hurt you for money, but Republicans will pay for the privilege. Both parties subservient to capital but there are still meaningful distinctions. Change must come from the bottom.
Counterargument: Centrists are actually a diverse group with many very different positions, that just have in common the fact they don't agree with either of the currently dominant political factions.
Aggressive reposte: what you just did (political stereotyping, where you label everyone who disagrees with you as basically being the same cartoon villain) is, in my experience, an example the left-wing bigotry that drives centrists away from your political faction. Disagreeing with your doesn't mean that I agree with the hateful morons on the right, it just means I also see and won't tolerate your bigotry.
Counter-counterargument: Centrists are actually a diverse group with many very different positions, but they all end up supporting fascism by staying inactive. I don't think you're evil for not picking a side, I think you're short-sighted for assuming "staying out of it" is possible and preferable to fighting for change. Winner-take-all, first-past-the-post elections will always result in a two-party system, if you want to change that without literally burning it all to the ground, you have to do it from within the system. You can still be a centrist, just try to take the context of the whole political structure into consideration when you vote. You can say you don't tolerate bigotry, but your actions (or rather, lack of actions) make you a liar.
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Far [insert preferred political allegiance] simply means extremist, usually unwilling to compromise. Whether you think that's a good thing or a bad thing depends on your personal political opinions, but generally speaking an inability to reach a compromise is not a desirable trait regardless of your political leanings.
As a saying goes, perfect is the enemy of good. We don't want people refusing to embrace more libertarian policies simply because they don't get everything that they want. Progress is achieved by steadily grinding away at the norm, not by having a big explosive change all at once. That's what communists want.
Far left citizens may oppose fascism but their leaders aren't doing a good job of it. America needs a better left wing party.
Yet another poorly made fallacy meme. Is there a bot just crapping out this same template every few days?
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Yeah, both are too loud and impeding the centrist ability to go back to Brunch lmao
Brunch: May or may not include stuffing their own pockets
Isn't it just left & right ?
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