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[–] forrgott@lemmy.zip 96 points 3 days ago (2 children)

fact... potentially...

Yes, we're going to ignore a sensationalist conclusion that is not supported by evidence.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 51 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

The actual model is just that, a model. It says that our universe can be described the same way as we describe the information systems around an event horizon, and in many cases in physics, if a system can be described using the same model it is often related, connected or the same in some way.

It's not sensationalist, but it's highly misinterpreted and turned into sensationalism.

It doesn't really give us anything meaningful that we can use or understand the universe better just yet, but maybe someday someone will figure out something that helps us better understand where the universe came from. That's all. It's a very convincing theory if you learn about entropy and Planck-scales and event horizons around black holes, but it's not even sensational on its own.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (3 children)

My intellect level is dipshit: do you know a good source for me to study and learn about this?

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[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

So like I've been vaguely paying attention to them finding larger, farther, and more red-shifted galaxies. I've been suspecting the universe is a black hole for a while now.

What if: information CAN survive the event horizon... but only if it hits the accretion disk from the side at the perfect angle to spiral in. That's why JWST is finding galaxies that are larger, older, and much more common than we'd anticipated -they're extra-universal objects.

What if dark energy is a function of hawking radiation... and the expansion of our universe is driven by primordial black holes? Maybe hawking radiation is the black hole equalizing the same anti-matter/matter asymmetry we've observed in our universe.

I'm sure someone formally educated on the subject can debunk those ideas tho.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (18 children)

I'm fairly educated but not formally on the subject.

The idea is this: conservation of information does not break anywhere we've ever observed, and much of physics is based around the immutable "conservations."

This means, whatever happens, whatever billiard ball configuration of particles things are in, you can calculate where they came from and how they got to that position. It's very basic to causality and we've never seen exceptions to it, aggressively so, the universe tends to do funny things just to preserve this kind of law. Except in black holes. All of our understanding about them says that even if they evaporate over vast time scales, there's still no way to "reassemble" the information that comes out, it's a cosmic information laundering service, which breaks a very fundamental conservation.

So, the idea is... what if information is preserved around the "edge" where we see particles slowly fall in and seem to take a literal eternity to fall in? What if that somehow retains all the knowledge of everything that fell in? When you calculate this idea up, you get a sea of information happening at the smallest possible scale, where information gets packed into it's densest possible state. And it also lines up almost exactly with what we imagine the universe to look like when describing it entirely as an information system. What's really happening in this situation is the universe is basically a flat "sheet" of information "bits" that curls around you, you the observer is sitting right into the center of this parabolic "lens" that assembles this information into a 3D picture of the universe. (See: holographic universe principle.) This idea that our observation of the universe is the center of a projection somewhat explains a lot of things like subjective experiences, a lot of quantum weirdness and what's happening at the quantum foam scale.

To understand this better you have to discard your understanding of locality and that your perceptions and experiences of time and space are largely illusions made by your brain to explain the input you're getting. There is no real such thing as "That thing is far away" it's more like "there's an informational rule how much time/space is between this event and that event."

I recommend PBS Spacetime, they did a lot of videos about the idea but they can be a bit heavy if you haven't caught up a little on entropy and time/space diagrams and black holes.

[–] discocactus@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Pshhh I figured this out when I was 17 the first time I took psychedelics.

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[–] Tetragrade@leminal.space 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Bro what if... *hits blunt* What if the whole universe was like.. like a quantum multiverse and shit- like, if we were supersymmetrically entangled without own spacetime strings

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Hear me out:

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[–] FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It’s not sensationalist, but it’s highly misinterpreted and turned into sensationalism.

Seems like every cool physics theory turns out this way. Physics: it exists for the masses to misinterpret

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[–] Haaveilija@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean technically the sentence structure says that:

  • Fact: NASA has done something
  • That something: potentially discovering that we are in a black hole

So in a sense there is no contradiction there with the words "fact" and "potentially". Although there is a relevant possibility for confusion of what is being stated as a fact, so your point stands. I just like nitpicking on technicalities :D

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[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 92 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I'm pretty sure that kind of knowledge falls under the "huh. Neat." category anyway. It's the kind of knowledge that, while a cool thing to learn, will have absolutely no bearing on my current life, and is not going to be likely to have any practical applications for many years to come.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's for the folks plagued by existential dread that need to know where we came from. Well son, it's black holes the whole way down.

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[–] scytale@piefed.zip 72 points 4 days ago (2 children)

As smug and pretentious Neil deGrasse Tyson is, he said it best, something along the lines of: What does this mean to us in the grand scheme of things? Nothing.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

As I often do, I disagree with Tyson, the model may help us understand the origin or nature of the universe someday. It's just a model, but when a model can be tested or studied in some way, we generally tend to learn new, grand things about everything.

It's not sensational, because it doesn't say anything radical, other than show a very similar relationship between information systems in event horizons and the way our whole universe can be modeled as an information system.

[–] FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Are you saying that he said that about this in particular or that it's a quote he says about loads of things? xD

On a side note: I don't think we should hate on DeGrasse Tyson, because hating on him seems to be a meme that's just gone too far. Isn't it rooted in a literal 4-chan greentext? But I think he's polite, nice, and the things people interpret as disingenuity are just his presenting quirks. Like the "tweeting the same mirror joke every month" actually has a more neat explanation.

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[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Just tell your landlord we're in a black hole and the rent doesn't matter.

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 26 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Isn't matter the whole issue

[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You need to explain to them that rent isn't matter, so it doesn't matter.

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[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

You are matter but you don't

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 days ago

And then punch your landlord in the face. They are a landlord, they probably deserve it.

[–] mech@feddit.org 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So this means there are potentially millions of other universes whose portals are within our own?
Good, this one universe did seem a bit too small to hold my ego.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If you mean entering a black hole, well, parts of you will probably make it in. After the spaghettification.

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Can't go to work if I'm 1 atom thick.

[–] Apocalypteroid@feddit.uk 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You'll have to log in remotely via teams

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm sure the audio won't work in space, just like on Earth.

[–] Griffus@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago

An atom will not be able to mute in a 10+ people meeting. You'll fit right in!

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

You know they'll still make you try though lol

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[–] captainastronaut@seattlelunarsociety.org 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, it’s hard to get too worried about specifically how the universe will collapse in 50 million years when I’m not sure our society will exist in 50 years and I’m not sure I will have a job in 5 months.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Anyone trying to frame this idea as worrying is trying to grift using science.

The idea in itself will never impact you personally. Most likely.

See, it's just a model for understanding how information systems work, and you can model the entire universe as an information system which could be identical to what happens around event horizons. It could be a big deal for people trying to understand how all this formed and where we came from, if you're curious about that kind of thing and have learned a bit about entropy and time and space and event horizons it's a pretty remarkable idea.

But the most realistic thing that will come from it is just more questions, even if it's true.

Best case: we learn that there are connections in time/space that we never were aware of or can use this model to predict particular kinds of spacetime effects and could figure out things like why space is expanding. Wildly best case: we figure out something about gravity we never considered and you get your goddamn hoverboards. Better late than never.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Does that mean we're having spaghettification for dinner?

[–] Widdershins@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

I, for one, would like to see the cafeteria menus in advance so parents can adjust their dinner menus accordingly. I don't like the idea of Milhouse having two spaghettification meals in one day.

time to spagettify spaghettis, lets create hyperspag

Wow crazy I'll make sure to adjust my schedule

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Link to this? I had not heard that.

[–] mushroommunk@lemmy.today 57 points 4 days ago (11 children)

Here's a summary

It's by no means confirmed. It's one theory out of many. The JWST data shows galaxies have a significant preference to all spin the same way. Mathematicians say this would be evidence in favor but not fully confirm the black hole theory (also called the Swarthschild theory if you want to DDG more). Some suspect it's bias from the rotation of our own galaxy affecting the data and they plan to calibrate more

[–] BadNewsNobody@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

"they plan to calibrate more"

Garrus approves.

[–] Siethron@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

It also depends on the definition of black hole you are using.

Because light in our universe doesn't leave (escape) our universe it fits that definition of black hole.

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 days ago

If there was some slight angular momentum to things right after the big bang, would it not then make sense that everything would predominantly be still moving in that direction?

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[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It's not a thing. Or, like, this theory ("black hole cosmology") has been around for ages, it's not broadly accepted and I can find no evidence of NASA publishing anything explicitly in support of it. The pop-sci articles are all linking back to this study which decidedly does not make the conclusion the universe might be inside a black hole.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 5 points 3 days ago

Shiiiit lexx was right

[–] stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] musubibreakfast@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Your life just got worse. You're paying rent inside of a black hole.

[–] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago
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