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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 163 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This is great, But using Microsoft Windows should be illegal for public services in EU.
We can no longer allow ourselves to depend on American IT infrastructure.

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 110 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Public Money should result in public code.
It can't be, that our public money lands as profits in non European companies.
That should be a given, imho

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 48 points 4 days ago

I 100% agree, but some would consider that a matter of ideology.
The other point about dependency on USA when they are acting with hostility is more pragmatic.

99% of people don't understand all the reason why open source is better for public services, except if we can say it's cheaper. That's the one point they understand, and the one point Microsoft has been attacking most with their propaganda against open source.

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

Go away with your common sense!

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Another government stops renting key software and instead invests in actuall ownership!

Honestly, if Microsoft said they wanted to own the Autobahn I could only imagine people would tell them to fuck off (in english and deutche). Why would digital infrastructure be any different?

[–] jali67@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago

Shouldn’t be. Glad the world is waking up to these vile tech companies. US government needs to stop coddling them too.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Be nice if Chicago had the same attitude towards our highways ):

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Honestly. I think private companies can have a place in public infra, but it's not in the freaking ownership. Rent seeking is the worst and most destructive aspect of private ownership and we've known and can look at countless example of that since Adam Smith!

Private companies should be allowed to build their own infrastructure or rent public infrastructure. But they shouldn't be allowed to purchase public infrastructure. Imo

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 74 points 4 days ago (1 children)

5 million a year would go a long way towards making their open source solutions meet their needs.

[–] slevinkelevra@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The cynic in me says they are very good at burning through such amounts without any notable progress. However since it is open source, my hopes are up that this will lift the veil where otherwise bureaucracy and corruption will waste the money.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

I mean, optionally they could set up a tiny dev shop with that amount and submit the PRs they want to submit. And at worst, they could maintain their own fork.

It'd be a public service in more ways than one.

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[–] myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 57 points 4 days ago

This is so selfish. What about the shareholders?!!!??

[–] Jaybird@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (2 children)

And since thes last update from the USA on how they view the EU, this will not be the last move EU countries will make.

I know, I work for one of them. We are ACTIVELY planning our usexit.

[–] jali67@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Trump admin shoots the U.S. in the foot every chance it gets

[–] Jaybird@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Trust comes on foot and leaves by horse.

It will be decades before some semblance of trust has been earned back by the USA (starting after they act normally again, whenever that may be)

[–] jali67@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago

True. It’s not just Trump that feels this way either. Lots of American oligarchs and groups like Claremont and Heritage that support this shit.

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 days ago

It's cause they misunderstood the prefix for foot and got all excited.

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago

In Soviet USsia, USsia exits EU!

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is also good news because it obviously means that german government will have to review the software used for possible security holes and close them, so everyone who also uses the software gets security fixes.

[–] LorIps@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Hehe hehe hehe. Yeah no, you overestimate German state governments

[–] varnia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I really hope GNU/Linux can run on old Fax machines and the printing-out-emails workflow works smoothly.

[–] unabart@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Seriously. While I support the change to foss solutions, this is going to go over like a fart in church for the people that were just forced off fax machines and into email a year ago. And there’s a zero percent chance that Germany will use any of those savings for a support infrastructure. The German way is to figure it out, and endure the suffering while you do with the bare minimum of support from people that barely know the shit themselves.

I have a friend who is principal at a high school here in DE and the stories she’s been telling me about the new push to get tablets into the hands of kids is straight fkn Monty Python level absurdity… from the staff!

Germany painted themselves into a corner with their refusal to modernize their tech infrastructure. The “it’s not broken, so don’t fix it” mentality has left them 20 years behind all their neighbors. But, hey, traditions over everything… amirite?

[–] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 4 points 3 days ago (7 children)

You might want to read this article. Yes, it's in german. Yes, it's behind a paywall. But your analysis is totally wrong here

https://www.heise.de/select/ct/2025/5/2502709361580779387

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[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 24 points 4 days ago (4 children)

In before Microsoft break out the FUD tactics and a year or two of cheap licenses.

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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They do this every few years, when the contract is up for negotiation, M$ will make a way cheaper option, and they will switch back

[–] foo@feddit.uk 6 points 3 days ago

I'm holding out hope that discounts wont work this time, because the motivation is different. It used to be about cost, now it's about digital sovereignty. I won't bet anything of value, but I can hope.

[–] kubofhromoslav@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Inspiration for many more governments!

I have already contacted my, Slovakian government. I should ping them again 😅

[–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago (3 children)

didn't another german state already try this and fail pretty spectacularly?? cost them WAY more money and then they ended up rolling back to m$??

given that, this is fantastic news! it's good to see people learn from past failed implementations, hopefully learn from their mistakes, and try again instead of just blaming it on bad software

[–] vodka@feddit.org 30 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You're not thinking about when Microsoft bribed their way into them not switching by opening an office in the area?

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

This. It was the city of Munich. They had their own linux distro "Munix" and everything. Then the conservative party won the election. You know the rest.

[–] demonsword@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Then the conservative party won the election.

that's the second or third statement in most modern cautionary tales nowadays

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[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Yeah, it was a political decision, not one based on how well the Linux transition worked.

They used Linux for quite some time productively. It wasn't a failed transition at all.

[–] ShaunKL@startrek.website 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I’ve been trying to find a source but from what I remember the transition was in maybe Munich and it was going fine.

Microsoft opened a new sales or operation center there and got cozy with the government there as quickly as possible to turn them back into a customer.

EDIT: Here is the LiMux endeavor.

Microsoft had announced in 2013 its willingness to move its German headquarters to Munich in 2016, which according to Reiter though, is unrelated to the criticism they've presented against the LiMux project.

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