I hate both, just shut up.
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Agree, they can broadcast of a community radio channel or use an app.
i think in this particular case it's not much different, but generally the muezzin calls five times each day plus a sixth bonus time on fridays for the jumu'ah. this can be even more annoying than the christian stupid sunday morning bell, when everyone is still hungover; that is, if they actually do it from the minaret, but they can also use messengers, radio, etc.
Some churches ring three times a day for daily prayer. Dunno how common that is in the US.
I live near a town with a street that was named "church street", not because the church was on it, but seven. The town as a whole has at least 17 that I know of.
About half of them have bells, and of those, 5 ring every hour on the hour all day and night, one rings every hour from 8am to 8pm, two or three ring 3x a day (sunrise, noon, sunset) and the others either don't have bells or don't use them regularly enough for me to notice.
I can hear the chiming from my back yard, which is several miles away from the city limits.
I don't know how people put up with it, honestly. It's nothing to do with my dislike for religion in general, I just hate all that noise, and would not be able to live close to them.
I do think my town is a bit of an anomaly though.
I'm not religious but I've lived near both and the Muslim call to prayer is sooooooo much worse. Not even just the frequency but the call itself - the first time it went off, I muted my music thinking it was some kind of ominous warning. I mean no offense but it sounds like pained wailing.
The bells are quite pleasant imo. But now I live by a Jewish temple and there's no sound, I like that the most
Yeah, I agree with the poster that it's hypocritical - but you do not want to live nearby any of the mosques that blast daily prayers.
They're long, they're loud, they go five times a day (prior to dawn, start of work day, after work day, and late evening prior to sleep).. and I'm sure they all buy their loudspeakers from the same place that supplies cheap drive-thrus.
I hear that Muslims think that anyone that is not blessed in their religion, even infants, will go to hell. They have a single religious leader that has absolute control over their theocratic state and has influence over leaders from around the world (historically, even power over them). They have a history of holy wars, torture of those of other faith, and holding back any knowledge and scientific progress that challenges their doctrine. They adorn their holy places with devices of torture and execution. And they practice ritualistic cannibalism of a holy man regularly, even feeding it to their children.
Oh sorry... that's Catholics.
Only some of that is true. Protestants are the ones who think everyone else is definitely hellbound, Catholics believe there's reasonable hope for the salvation of non-believers and the pope they started the year with stirred controversy by saying he personally liked to think hell is empty. Also the Vatican is technically under absolute papal control, but a) it's a square mile in the capital of another country, and b) it doesn't have a military. They can't really do anything with their absolute control except provide sanctuary. Now, I'm not going to act like their sanctuary is uncontroversial, they hid both fascists and their victims, and they do continue to hide their pedos there sometimes, but it's not like they have secret police disappearing people or citizens with no other allegiances, it's the only country you can't be born a citizen of.
Either is fucking annoying. I don’t want to listen to your religious bullshit. Keep it inside the building.
Personally I think church bells are really annoying too and I'm super glad I live somewhere where they don't do that regularly.
I live next to a Mosque in Europe. The call to prayer is super chill and notably less invasive than church bells.
Church bells cut through double glazing. Call to prayer does not.
Or the local Methodist church that plays a loudspeaker hymn at noon everyday.
In that the primary function of the bells (at least where I live) is the telling of time, not religious broadcasting. There is no inherent message in the chiming of the clocks. In general, the bells chime every full hour during during daytime, and clock towers aren't necessarily exclusive to churches either.
There is certainly an argument to be made however that they should be removed due to being redundant, intrusive and outdated.
If I had a choice between both being allowed and both prohibited, the choice would be prohibiting both, always. It's a question of freedom from religion - we shouldn't have to live with religious propaganda being blasted into our homes.
It's different because it's not a bell, and it's not white people making the noise. Stupid question.
The difference is that some mosques use some shitty ass loud speaker and the guy doing the call can't hold a note. Like it's fine if they only do it once a week but a daily call is just way too much. Like church bells are annoying too but at least the sound is way more pleasant. Seriously if Muslims in the west want to be more accepted they need to take into account that they live in a non-Muslim majority country and non-muslims do not need the call to prayer and many find it annoying as hell. Acceptance and tolerance is a two way street, can't just force other people to accept your traditions if you aren't willing to accommodate to their traditions too. Like even many churches in my western country have stopped ringing the bells frequently.
Seriously if Muslims in the west want to be more accepted they need to take into account that they live in a non-Muslim majority country and non-muslims do not need the call to prayer and many find it annoying as hell.
Something related and complex is that in turkey, the call to prayer used to be in turkish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_adhan
Now, the theological arguments on this are very complex (all Qurans must have the original arabic in order to stop arguments over translation, etc), but it would be interesting to hear the call to prayer in english.
Also I lived down the street from this. It's not even that loud. I never heard it when I was living there.
Oh, also Minneapolis never burned to the ground. Like right wing people think.
It's different because the Islamic call to prayer turns you TRANS
There's a neighbourhood in New York that had a whole ass siren to announce Shabbos. And not a small one, it was a Sentry 40V2T which is one of the loudest outdoor warning sirens produced today. Needless to say that got shut down years ago.
Here's a video from 10 years ago of the siren.
It was missing many of its horns but still proved far too loud.
That's INSANE. And for a non emergency.
Oh, fuck that.
However long that took to get shut down, it wasn't fast enough.
I mean really the Catholics with the simulated blood guzzling and flesh eating rituals should just STFU.
I'm here to point out that they believe it's not simulated. Catholics specifically believe that it is literally transformed into flesh and blood.
It’s called transubstantiation, and it has been scientifically proven to be real. We have already sequenced Christ’s DNA, and China is supposedly secretly trying to clone him as we speak. This decade is just going to keep getting weirder.
Especially many american catholics (even priests) just outright defying the pope. THE POPE, BISHOP OF ROME, IS LITTERLY YOUR MAIN GUY SECOND TO GOD ACCORDING TO YOUR DOCTRINE. Ugh these kind of religiouse people are the worst, no matter which religion
The concept is identical, but depending on the execution it can be quite different.
This like saying that classical music is the same as pop/rock just because they are both music that entertains people, some people hate classical music, other's hate pop/rock.
I would like to know how often these different calls to prayer is being played and how long each call takes, as well as how loud they both are in comparison.
The human voice is infinitely more annoying than the most irritating musical instrument. Or construction equipment for that matter.
Cool I wish we had a neighborhood like that. I really appreciate other people’s cultures
It isn't. Both things are dumb, but in order to live in a free society, we have to let people be dumb, even if it's not our specific kind of dumb.