We're trying to reduce the numbers of hours a person has to work.
We talk about the end of paid work being mandatory for survival.
Partnerships:
/join #antiwork)Food is free
Where? When?
Also I call bullshit on the whole premise. Effort is effort. I'm just as exhausted after a day of doing things for myself as doing things for money.
I grew up farming for some of our food. If you think that ain't work, that ain't tiring, exhausting, I got a bridge to sell you.
Food ain't free - it requires effort and time.
I imagine this is a tribal mindset of picking food off trees naturally. Of course this doesn’t lend itself to population growth and doesn’t answer what happens when the tree is picked clean.
Food was free when we were gatherers, then someone put up a fence around their agriculture.
You do realize that unstructured gathering only provides a subsistence diet, right? And also typically requires seasonal migration? And basically all of your time every day?
Which is to say, rather than being "free", gathering costs the time of almost every person in a society, and also requires that society to be regularly mobile, and also shortens lifespans due to malnutrition.
Well actually, evidence shows that gatherers were "working" less than 8 hours a day, way less, and most of that work was basically fucking around. The rest was pure rest.
True about seasonal mobility though, it looks like
Do you know how many hours a day lions sleep?
Still required work to harvest it.
And to store it for the winter.
If gathering is free for you, there are jobs available where you are basically a gatherer. Go apply, you could earn free money!
You're arguing against a claim the OP does not make.
Exhaustion that you earn can be joyful.
The answer to the last question is you are in the wrong job.
When you find a job that suits you properly it doesn't feel like work, the time flies by, you have a sense of accomplishment after sorting out an issue.
The problem is not everyone finds their ideal job with capitalism.
yeah and its not like just finding a field. everything runs on dollar cost efficiency and if your someone who finds accomplishment does not feel as good unless you are making the best something can be. Well it can be hard to find that kind of satisfaction now a days.
Nah. It helps, but for most people it isn't all that. Hell, I'm in a line of work that I love to do, and my hobbies, shit I do for fun are heavily overlapping with my job. Still, when I do it for my job, I'm not happy and have to force myself to work. When I do the same for myself, I relaxed and happy and time flies by.
Hunting and gathering is play and recreation obviously. Nobody was ever upset at the exhaustive and intermittent workload of hunting and gathering. That's why today all food comes from 5 hunter gatherers who are so satisfied with their lifestyle that they are 18,000,000,000% more productive than the average office worker and can stock every grocery store on earth and would be able to end world hunger if not for the greedy capitalists skimming off the top and stealing their labour.
It feels good to expend energy
Like hell it does. Conserving energy feels good. That's why you don't see animals expending energy all the time; just humans busting their asses off working.
Accomplishing something you set out to do is what feels good. The physical pain of exhaustion most certainly does not when even in the example set, we use tools to expend less energy.
That’s why you don’t see animals expending energy all the time;
Go to a dog park and tell me those fuckers aren't enjoying themselves running around.
Most animals play around, you just don't see it in a city much.
Maybe I’m weird, but I love my job
~autistic children are outliers and should not be included~
Sure, but do you love your home life too?
Oh hell no, my parents are delusional hoarders
Yes. What an odd question.
