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Arch Linux’s pkgstats data provides one of the few large-scale, opt-in snapshots of how real users configure their systems. While not a perfect census (participation is voluntary), the long-running dataset offers a clear picture of how desktop environment and window managers’ preferences have shifted across more than a decade.

At the same time, the data (to some extent) also reflects a broader trend for one key reason: as you know, a default Arch installation gives you only a base system, and you build everything else according to your own needs and tastes. In other words, there’s no predefined desktop environment that users are locked into, unlike most other distributions.

That means these statistics give us a very accurate look at which desktop environments and window managers Arch users actually choose to install and use. But enough talk, let’s move on to the data.

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[–] iamlyth@beehaw.org 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I really love gnome but my friends keep pushing me for KDE and I really just don’t like the windows style of desktop.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 3 points 5 days ago

You should use what you like.

COSMIC may offer a middle ground if you did want to try something else though.

And KDE is very configurable. It does not have to look like Windows.

[–] _Nico198X_@europe.pub 2 points 6 days ago

KDE, beautiful and flexible

[–] roran@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sway. Though I graduated from Arch to NixOS, sway remains as one of the core tenets of my personhood.

[–] BetterDev@programming.dev 1 points 5 days ago

Upvote for sway, but the word graduate there feels out of place, though to be honest I havent given NIX an earnest shot.

[–] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago

Weirdly, my Arch System has a bog-standard absolutely uncustomized kde plasma install.

Its the Debian system which has been customized to hell and back with i3 and lxqt. I'd like to switch to sway but my gpu does NOT like wayland.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 86 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

the KDE Plasma desktop at 38.36%, nearly doubling the share of GNOME, which sits at 19.84%

Then xfce at ~11% and cinnamon, mate, etc. to round it out.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That feels about right. I know that when I go to set up a desktop system anymore, KDE is usually my default go to. It just works and doesn't tell me no for the few customizations that I want to make. XFCE and the others are absolutely vital for lower power systems. But if you want a low-friction daily driver with plenty nice to haves and easily replicable, it's hard to beat KDE.

[–] flameleaf@programming.dev 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Xfce is very replicable. Moving my install to a new system usually involves little more than copying the config files between home directories.

[–] vaionko@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 5 points 6 days ago

Sort of.

Everything is Wayland compatible but there is no XFWM for Wayland. So, you use a Wayland compositor like LabWC with the rest of XFCE running on top of it. This is the default XFCE config on SUSE Leap for example.

XFCE is not quite as far along on portal support as GNOME or KDE though. Depending on your use case, you may still prefer running on Xorg.

You can run the XFCE apps on any Wayland desktop.

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[–] nul9o9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

KDE has too much going on for me. I like Cinnamon for everyday use.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

You mean like whiz bang zoom distractions or just a lot of stuff to download if you do a full install whether or not you're going to use all the different KDE apps.

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[–] SiblingNoah@piefed.social 38 points 1 week ago

I use KDE Plasma, btw.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Arch users: "Well now I'm definitely not using KDE"

[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago

Did you check the wiki to see which one it says to use??

[–] SirHery@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

KDE because it was recommended with cachy os, and i don't really know enough or care enough to use something else 😅

[–] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

KDE works and Arch is easy to install.

[–] PokerChips@programming.dev 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I3. No desktop. Just me and the bash.

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

Expected it

[–] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

Does this count steamOS instances? Because that would really tip the scales in KDE's favor.

[–] bulwark@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Niri. I know it's not a DE, but it's currently my fav.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 4 points 6 days ago

I am also loving Niri

[–] nil@piefed.ca 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

yup. I was tempted to give Hyprland a try but noped out for political reasons.

[–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] spartanatreyu@programming.dev 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Most projects have codes of conduct, even if it's something as simple as Wheaton's Law.

The original creator of hyprland behaved in a way that made people leave the project (the "political" part comes from the creator's discrimination). It was basically a good example for why projects should have codes of conduct.

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[–] SweetCriticalPumpkin@reddthat.com 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

from my limited time using it I found niri to be actually so good. will switch over from hyprland eventually i think.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Do you happen to know how it is with a multi-monitor setup?

I finished setting up Hyprland 2years ago, then learned about the shit community literally the day after being "ah, finally done!" and haven't found the energy to switch since.

[–] bulwark@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I use Niri on triple screens with different sizes and refresh rates, it's all seamless. Plus per-monitor scroll up/down left/right. I have an Nvidia GPU, they seem to have worked out all the problems with Wayland support.

[–] SweetCriticalPumpkin@reddthat.com 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm not really fussed about the community as long as the tool is good, which Hyprland is there's no question about that.

Like I said I have very limited usage using niri after seeing a bunch of youtube videos praising it I decided to give it a try but I haven't had time to fully configure it and move over just yet. On my dual monitor setup it worked fine. Really loved how you can expose all open windows with a simple multi finger swipe and how each monitor has its own space.

[–] EnEnCode@programming.dev 2 points 6 days ago

I was the opposite. I stopped using hyprland because I found it utterly broken (Ctrl-X rant here). Didn't find out about the community until after I left. User of i3, sway, and niri. Thanks to Lemmy for first mentioning niri to me. :)

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They should do this for Mint. I want to know how many of us weirdos using KDE on Mint there are.

[–] blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Never tried Cinnamon(?) but to be honest, if I was forcred to use Mint, I probably would install KDE Plasma on the device.

Mint is said to be the perfect beginner friendly distribution. I am not sure, why. Robust and easy to understand package/update manager? If some of my f&f would ask to install them Mint, it absolutely would come with Plasma!

[–] Lojcs@piefed.social 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Robust and easy to understand package/update manager?

Honestly if it still has 2 gui package managers like when I last tried it that's not true neither.

[–] blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Ouch. That doesn't sound good.

[–] ApertureUA@lemmy.today 3 points 1 week ago

I did that before just getting Arch.

Also, I wonder if KDE on Ubuntu stuff still includes that FUCKASS FONTCONFIG FILE THAT MAKES EVERYTHING LOOK SHIT I SPENT 4 HOURS LOOKING FOR

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I’d use Gnome if it had tray application icon support. I just cannot do without my tray icons for Dropbox.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Waiting for a tiling window manager with nice animations

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[–] krimson@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

If you want to try something fresh, give mangowc a try. It is a tiling wm but also has built-in support for scrolling layouts like Niri (even vertical).

[–] BB_C@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The premise of the question is wrong, since it assumes a general preference.

If you're asking 👉 this 👈 Arch user, the answer is "NONE".

EDIT: The majority of users, especially experienced ones, don't enable pkgstats. So such stats always end up in some form of self-selection (biased towards users who would use a DE in this case).

[–] imecth@fedia.io 5 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The majority of users, especially experienced ones don't enable pkgstats.

Why would an experienced user not enable pkgstats? Anyways the biggest bias here is that arch inherently caters to power users which are going to have very different needs and likes than regular people.

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[–] kamstrup@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago
[–] msokiovt@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

While a CachyOS user, I'm old school (X11 user and maybe XLibre) with i3 as my WM of choice. I know, hate on me all you want because I use antiquated tech. It works, unlike Wayland which is still broken as of right now. I need some features not found in Wayland natively, and that requires I use X11 (thankfully, i3 is customizable with some decent plugins). I know about Sway, SwayFX and other i3-style compositors for Wayland, but they don't work with NVIDIA as of right now I don't think.

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