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[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 82 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Remember maintaining a household used to be considered a full time occupation for 1 adult per household.

We need to bring that idea back and separate it from gendered labor. 1 adult's full time pay should always cover the cost of a home and family

[–] kurwa@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

2 part timers should be able to work also

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As long as the math adds up. Right now you need 40 hours a day to do everything yourself

[–] offspec@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I assume you mean a week but I find what you wrote funnier

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 6 points 3 months ago

No, I meant a day. Like the meme in the post says, there's not enough hours in one day for one person to take care of everything.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That was also established back before dishwashers, laundry machines, refrigerators (so you can go shopping every couple weeks instead of every day), public school, etc. Modern conveniences streamline a lot of domestic tasks.

I still think a single income should support a family, but maintaining a household isn't as labor intensive as it once was.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The 1950s had basically all of that and the standard was still the same. Before that extended family households were more common and the labor was spread to multiple adults and children had more expectations

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Those were all pretty new in the '50s, plus that's about when women started entering the workforce in greater volume, and also when you start to see the stereotype of housewives sitting at home eating bonbons.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 months ago (14 children)

These conveniences have become necessitates though.

I work to buy a dishwasher to wash my dishes so I have more time to work. It's trapping us in a consumption cycle

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[–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 4 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Instead of that, we now have unaffordable housing, which forces you into serial tenancies. The rent prices are so high you need to live with one or more people. All of you must work to make the rent. Also there's a deposit, so you must somehow keep on top of the housekeeping, or you will owe money to the landlord. If that sounds unfair and ridiculous, that'll be because it is. But if you complain, you'll be the one that's crazy, because that's just the way the world works

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[–] OshaqHennessey@midwest.social 39 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Friendly reminder that medieval peasants only spent 20-30 hours per week working the land.

[–] Aganim@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago (14 children)

But that doesn't mean the other hours were just leisure time, maintenance of tools, clothing, house, etc also took up quite some time.

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[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 28 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Half the things you don't need to do daily.

[–] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 55 points 3 months ago (7 children)

And there are hundreds of other necessary activities that aren't listed here. What is your point? The point of the post is that this person (and many others) feel overburdened by the pressures and requirements of modern society. Pointing out that the specific chore of vacuuming doesn't have to happen every day isn't astute.

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[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You don't need to buy food every day, or do laundry, or hoover, clean/tidy. Meditating is not for everyone and for some people even socialising is not a daily necessity.

[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Cook and wash up 3x daily - this is also crazy. If it is supposedly a workday, you won't be home for lunch. And you don't want to or have to cook every time you're home, and for the dishes, there exist dishwashers (if you don't have one, make sure you get one, this is the single best thing that happened to us if we talk about chores. We had a 12+people party yesterday, and it only took 2 runs to not think about dishes, over than 30mins for putting them into the washer).

[–] Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I think the washing machine edges out the dishwasher but they are my 1 and 2. If I had to live on a deserted island and could only take two things with me it’s my washing machine and dishwasher.

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[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Work.

But, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we need another study about how we're all actually more productive when we're required to be at work for fewer hours.

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[–] elbiter@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Also have three or four children to perpetrate the system, work for tips while studying, consume and save for your own retirement. And if you get sick, your whole family loses everything.

Oh, and be thankful you're in the best possible economic system and socialism is bad, so bad.

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[–] Asetru@feddit.org 21 points 3 months ago

Add kids to the formula to receive your BurnOut^TM^ even faster!

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The walking 10k steps is bs.

10k was just arbitrarily picked. More walking is of course healthier than less though.

And traditionally one person (and/or a parade of children) contributed to those tasks full time.

[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

exactly 10k is bullshit, but I don't see why it still can't be a cutoff. 3-5k is too low, 20k+ only happens when you are actually hiking or sightseeing all day while travelling (unless you have a work where you run back and forth all day)

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[–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Well, if you take an 8 hour shift with a typical commute of 2 hours total (there and back), paired with 8 hours of sleep, as well as shower, dress, equip for work, and eat a cooked meal for dinner, you're looking at 3 hours of free time. 3 hours of life per workday. Paired with the commonality of working adults working 2 hours more, and sleeping up to 4 hours less because of either reclaiming free time, factoring in dating, working secondary and tertiary jobs, insomnia or otherwise, and those 3 hours could be no hours, or exhaustion leading to the time being spent just lounging, no hobbies. That is one reason why I don't agree with this system.

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[–] Michal@programming.dev 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yes, it's possible, until you have kids.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Tbf not all of these have to be done daily. I get the point, but yeah.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

The amount of people who are blaming the poor for burnout in this thread is unsurprising, since this is lemmy.

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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] decended_being@midwest.social 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure if this is referring to work or sleep, but something that's been bothering me about the '8 hour workday' / a '9 to 5' is that's just not how it is in my experience. It's 8:00 - 5:00 with an hour lunch break that is certainly less than an hour and at your desk.

I spend about 9.5 hours each work day in work mode.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 4 points 3 months ago

Yea, we can't actually just appear at work, and start producing instantly, then be home to enjoy the rest. Our whole lives have to revolve around work. It is the real reason people start losing IQ after a certain age.

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