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edit: "Balkanised" is probably the right word, partition means to divide territory between two other states. If the US did break apart in pieces (probably in some sort of dystopian/everyone is going to die world), i wonder if other countries will try to nab bits of it (e.g. Britain regaining their colonies, Mexico regaining their lost territories, Spain regaining Florida, or even Russia taking over Alaska)

note: I am not advocating for the partition of the US, it's just fun to think about new countries! Also, I'm not American and have never been there so I have no clue about the different cultures in the different states.

If the US broke up into multiple pieces in some way or another, what new countries would you want to appear? (with and without considering for the feasibility of such new countries) What would their relations be like with each other and with other countries?

Personally, I would think New York (the city) becoming an independent microstate would be kind of cool, like the Vatican City of the stock market. The idea of "Cascadia" (which, to my knowledge, includes California, Oregon, and one other I forgot the name of. I think a bit of Canada too. The west coast, right?) could be realised, and with California, they would have a very beefy economy, as well as Silicon Valley. An independent Alaskan state could also be interesting, especially since they have a cool flag. Same goes for Texas.

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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)
[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think you could call it Jesusland, taking the LORD's name in vain and all that.

Christchurch though? Totally acceptable. Pretty sure that's a city in Texas. Or, take the Aramaic (language Christ spoke) word(s) for "promised land" and Anglify it.

Anyway, which would your capitols be? I'm thinking maybe Dallas for "Jesusland" — it's in Texas, and it's far enough inland to miss a lot of hurricane damage that gets Houston right on the coast — and maybe keep Ottawa for USC. Except it's not very centrally located... still might be their best bet since it exists. I sure wouldn't put it in California (too many wildfires/earthquakes). I was kinda thinking British Columbia though (north of Washington State, bordering the Pacific). Like Vancouver maybe. Lovely area.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I'm glad we made it into the USC, but for the record, Pennsylvania is PA not PN.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I didn't make the graphic, I just stole/hotlinked it. I am very familiar with PA, although it's main redeeming quality is that it's not New Jersey.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

It’s currently PA; the abbreviation will be one of the first changes.

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

They also screwed up Maryland (should be MD not MY)

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

As a Washingtonian, I approve and would welcome our kindly benevolent and woefully apologetic new rulers with open arms.

[–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Fun fact, Jesus never been in that land.

[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"United States" of Canada? Why not just "Canada"?

[–] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 week ago

Well you are uniting multiple states, it's in the name.

[–] weariedfae@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Poor Colorado fed to the wolves

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Jesusland got to keep Alaska as an exclave, so Colorado could be an enclave (maybe also include the blue bits of NM). I also feel like Jesusland shouldn't legally be allowed to have a place that calls itself "Sin City", so might as well add Clark County NV to the blue side. Perhaps the same treatment for the parts of Virginia right around DC, or St. Louis, since they're right on the border.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Alaska may vote red but they are not conservative at all. Pro weed and pro abortion are just one example of why it would not actually fit in with Jesusland.

[–] Arkive@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

There's a couple US culture maps out there. I like ones like this that break up the big regions into smaller sub-regions

I like the light bit of history this page gives, but I don't feel like it's kept up with our current affairs. https://robslink.com/SAS/democd83/us_regional_cultures_map.htm

[–] notreallyhere@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

fun fact: Jefferson was a white nationalist separatist statehood movement

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ohio shouldn’t be considered Midwest. It’s very much eastern seaboard and much more culturally similar to PA than the Midwest. Everything else is super solid.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

As someone who lived there for decades, nah its Midwest alright. Columbus is way more like Chicago than Philly, though it's similar to both. I'll accept Pittsburgh as Midwestern if they want

[–] epicthundercat@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Life-long Oregonian here, Cascadia needs to happen! Majority want it and we are sick of being held back by people we share 0 common interest, morality, culture ect... with. The United States is too huge and its ridiculous. Even the accents are slowly changing language over time. Plus, how the hell am I supposed to feel a sense of connection to some dude in Wyoming!? No offense to Wyoming but my state couldn't be further from that life... Going to Amsterdam felt like what Portland Oregon would be if it wasnt held back by crappy surrounding red policy and federal toxicity.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

New California Republic, just south of Vault City.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago
[–] _Nico198X_@europe.pub 5 points 1 week ago

New England. Becoming a Canadian province is optional.

[–] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

How about drawing a grid on the entire country, and labelling each new square state in chessboard style? American streets try to be sensible and consistent like that, so why not just apply the same idea on a federal level too? If you’re in the state D5, you’ll know that D4 right next door.

[–] mech@feddit.org 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

How about dividing the US into 50 states with equal population?

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I like how Shiprock is a place no ship could ever reach.

[–] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

It’s a place where you need to build your own ship from local materials. Maybe consider using stone…

[–] PlexSheep 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So do you adjust the borders every year?

[–] mech@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

No, you ADJUST the population.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 2 weeks ago

Africa moment.

[–] janus2@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago

as a new yorker i support nyc secession lol

[–] ace_garp@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Mega-City One.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Erase all federal and state government, only leave existing town boundaries and muncipal law. Every town must hold elections that year. Towns will then naturally start to work together via commerce, cultural and geographical ties and can create their own collectives/states. Or maybe they will become related and a part of Mexico or Canada and that's fine too. Just have a rule that any town that hasn't become part of another country must donate 5% of their tax income for a small military defense force.

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Read up about the Holy Roman Empire. Not sure that’s something I’d sign up for.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's a pretty large subject, anything in particular?

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That’s kinda the point. The HRE was a gigantic federation of vassal states that had a bunch of decentralized authorities for centuries. It was a huge mess to understand how anything was done. If you think federal/state/local/municipal government is complicated, imagine trying to get anything done in the HRE system. I genuinely couldn’t summarize or give any realistic explanation, because I just cannot wrap my head around the particulars lol.

With the modern invention of passports, air travel, trains, and cars (all of which came after the fall of the HRE) I can’t see how any travel would be possible if each municipality was the strongest form of government.

That's a funny fantasy world.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

One Capitol state and 13 District states.

[–] Redacted@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

100 states, just section out the parts of each state that are right and left. Would this do anything to heal the nation? Obviously not. Would it be really interesting to watch? Obviously.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

probably have to expel any right winger from the state as well.

[–] Redacted@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah just everybody jammed into one of the 2 resulting states depending on if they are even slightly left or right. For maximum fun wed need to give the moderates there own state or two, like a control group sorta

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago

considering thats what the right wing already do, pseudo-expel wise. why not repay the favor,

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Make Louisiana Purchase Again!

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

The east coast. When I lived in New York, I thought we could do better on our own. Now that I’m near Boston, I know New England could. But you know what? We really have a lot in common all the way down to DC, and the DC suburbs of Virginia.

Acela is not just a transportation system connecting us all, but a result of our shared values, wanting a better connection. We’re a huge percentage of the population and the economy. We’re mostly “donor” states instead of “takers” so our economy would be solid. We’re mostly “blue” except New Hampshire and Pennsyltucky, seeing the value of good education, caring about our citizens quality of life. And yes we’re mostly the parts of the country built out long ago so have in common many traditional town centers and relatively fewer car centered hellscapes. Many parts of the east coast have been derided as “European”: let’s embrace that

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Colorado. Except it isn't a rectangle, but follows the Colorado river watershed from headwaters to the ocean.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I also want Colorado, but for it to be an even bigger rectangle, the biggest it can possibly be. I'm willing to give up some Mexican territory for this.

[–] invertedspear@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

People forget that there’s already a breakdown of the US between the country and state levels. The federal district courts divide the country into 11 districts. This effectively means there are groups of states where court precedence equates to different interpretations on the same laws.

So if something were to divide the country this map might make a good breakdown. It’s not very geographically regional, but few state borders are.

[–] Blaze@piefed.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

!askusa@discuss.online

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

“I think a bit of Canada, too.”

Thing is, Alberta is Texas Lite, and BC wouldn’t want to be lumped in with California. Canada has a different view of Nation overall than the US. Our identity would be swallowed up by joining a confederation of states that don’t really even understand what we are, let alone care.

That’s a load of generalizations, but I can’t really imagine the majority of BC being happy even with Cascadia at this point… most of the province would find it too liberal and anti-socialist, and the cities would find it too conservative.

And that’s of course ignoring the fact that most of BC still has no treaties, so the First Nations would want to have a say in how this went down, and aren’t likely going to want to give up their land.

[–] notreallyhere@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

a state of consciousness

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

The idea of "Cascadia" (which, to my knowledge, includes California, Oregon, and one other I forgot the name of.

CA, OR, WA, and

I think a bit of Canada too.

A section of Canada larger than those three states put together, you mean. The remainder would almost perfectly contain South Carolina.