A place to discuss the Pluribus series created by Vince Gilligan.
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Carol we wish You a great day, and remember, we will move heaven and Earth to make you happy.
Carlos-Manuel Vesga is phenomenal! It might be the writing, the character, or maybe just not enough exposure yet, but every scene with him hits me emotionally—I feel everything. I can already envision him being recognized as an outstanding actor by the end of the show. His work so far is incredible.
And that line, "My mom's a bitch," was completely unexpected and delivered with absolute perfection.
His storyline is good. So of course we only get five minutes of him per episode.
Hive is quite manipulative, They didn't say a word about Carol's frozen eggs. Carol is gonna get plurbed.
I’m no biologist, but after some research I did, frozen eggs are probably not enough.
Eggs can’t substitute for stem cells. They’re completely different cell types and don’t do the same job, so they’re not the kind of stem cells the Plurbs seem to be after.
Frozen eggs contain only half of Carol’s DNA, so they can’t be used to clone her on their own. And no — the frozen eggs wouldn’t be contaminated with Carol’s full DNA (like blood or other bodily fluids). In fertility clinics, eggs are collected directly from the ovary in a clean, controlled process, and they’re prepared before freezing. So they don’t come with extra cells containing full DNA. (I still can’t believe they wash the eggs, though.) 😁
You’re probably right but TV doesn’t usually care what’s real and what isn’t. It’s a decent loophole that I could see being exploited by writers.
Ooohhh… that would be mean. But like Carol said, some lawyers survived 😄
Ooh damn I forgot about that line in the Norwegian ice hotel! Sneaky
I get the feeling the man from Paraguay will get her out of it, and season 2 will follow a Locutus of Borg recovery type of storyline.
And they’re still working on it.. it has been what, 2 weeks? And they maxed out their research already?
Oh boy, I remember the comment about the eggs. And then the one about stem cells. I absolutely did not put the two together until this comment, and I both hate you and love you for it :)
I found the "we don't pick apples" absurd.
It's either pick apples or don't pick up falling food either. Here's why:
Fruit trees and other mass farmed plants have been selectively bred over thousands of years to bear fruit or seeds that are far larger than their wild variants. Picking fruit early from a commercial apple tree actually keeps the tree grow healthier because it isn't putting as much of its resources into growing the fruit. In many cases with plants you break the flowers off before they go to seed so that the plant doesn't waste its energy trying to grow seeds so that it can be larger and healthier next year.
So not picking fruit hurts the trees. Given the global unified mind, wheat production could be easily modified to cut slightly higher so that the grain is removed leaving the rest of the plant intact. Again this helps the plant because natural grasses don't produce such large heads.
Alternatively, they shouldn't take fallen apples because it's interfering with the natural life cycle of the Apple tree. There's a small chance an Apple tree will grow and eating that fallen Apple is taking food from wildlife that would eat it.
I don't think the writers thought it out because they were looking for a reason to have the hive starve and be on a short timeline but not immediate death.
By their own logic, could they eat unfertilized chicken eggs if they “fall out of a chicken” on their own?
Given that they freed all the zoo animals, I think it's safe to assume that all farm animals have also been released. They would need to randomly come across a chicken's nest first which I don't think is sustainable.
I thought they said they were still milking cows but maybe I misunderstood.
John talked about that, yes. Most likely this is because modern cows have been bred so that you can’t just stop milking them from one day to the other without causing serious health issues. So they can probably reason this to be some kind of aid.
How did they know Carol would pick up the phone to use it at Mr. Diabetes mansion? Security cameras?
Maybe 0 is for her and the others have their own number.
Or the other individuals just don’t need to call but talk to one of their family members or friends.
I laughed out loud at:
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John Cena’s cameo.
I was thinking “I wonder what happened to all the celebrities”, then boom. They timed that well.
That was very well done.
Also her comment after, when talking to Mr. Diabate.
So this virus takes over the planet without a sustainable plan to survive? What's the overall goal?
I wonder if the virus was created as a way of creating the "perfect" robot. Their job seems to be to serve those that are not a part of the hive.
The twist then being that this version of the virus, in an attempt to make them more subservient, can't take care of themselves.
like a self censoring LLM. I already get a lot of Ai vibes from "them"
So I've read a number of theories that the story being told is AI. I don't think that was planned, but it definitely could be. I think it's more of a story about happiness and what makes someone happy, but I think that is absolutely entwined with AI.
The parallels to LLMs were 99% intentional. Vince Gilligan has strongly criticized artificial intelligence, calling it "the world’s most expensive and energy-intensive plagiarism machine." He even included a disclaimer in the show’s credits stating, "This show was made by humans."
What's the goal of any virus? That's the thing. It's behaviour is viral. It is just to spread.
Yes, but viruses don't have sentience so far as we know. Far beyond that, this one has tenets (or perhaps directives)...and where do either of those come from?
Are they working to spread to all life on earth so they can survive without killing anything both native and uninfected?
All that's rhetorical btw, I know none of us knows. I think these are answers I'm hoping to have by the time the show ends.
In any apocalyptic situation cannibalism is acceptable right? I wouldn't see much of a problem with it personally.
Great way to get Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creutzfeldt%E2%80%93Jakob_disease
Found myself fast forwarding through a lot of this episode. I mean is it really necessary at this point to make us (or Carol) listen to the annoying voicemail message? I’m worried Carol and Manousos aren’t going to meet until the end of the last episode of the season.
I found myself almost yelling at the screen trying to get her to press pound to skip the voicemail greeting.
It certainly is driving me crazy that Carol isn't asking for them to shorten their voice mail message when she's clearly annoyed by it.
I think she wants to use their help as little as possible. This would be a request which only benefits her little, so she just endures the lengthy message.
It might be necessary to keep those scenes to tell us something about Carol’s character or about the Plurbs themselves (they might have thought about shortening the message but didn’t, and Carol might have asked them to shorten it but didn’t either). Or they included the voicemail scenes simply to mischievously annoy the viewer.
Honestly, I’m fine with either. I was annoyed the second and third time she listened to the voicemail, but now I kinda like it. It’s funny that they keep including these scenes.
As an ADHD person that watched (until I found it too boring) a lot of The Walking Dead in 2x speed, I kind of see what you mean, but...never in this show I felt the need to skip anything (only when I rewatched episode 2 to convince my wife to stick with the show after she noped-out at the end of the pilot, I had to skip the seizure scenes to keep her attention long enough to make her interested in the mysteries they introduced. I'm not proud of the manipulation. But she's a Plurb too now, so, eh, ends, means, you know)
Whenever something drags for too long, I look around. The sets have a level of detail and care that few other shows enjoy.
The only thing annoying me is that I would have a list of question as long as my leg, and she's not asking the right questions. That ain't solved by fast forwarding, though.
I'm still struggling with this show. Cinematography is great but the plot isnt just there yet. I loved BCS, they had great characters and story that you could really connect with but this feels lame at the moment.
So if his mother's councious mind still has ill-will aimed at her son through the hives active control then all of this can't be actively happening for the better right? The hive has shown a lot of personality between characters and really don't seem to be as pure as they intend.
I just caught up tonight.
Once it was revealed that they couldn't force them to be converted, I thought, 'I'd totally do what Diabaté is doing.' I'm not proud of that, but I would.