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[–] RalfWausE@blackneon.net 184 points 2 weeks ago (20 children)

First: It's funny, because it is happening to Russians

Second: It's fucking scary, because it can happen everywhere. Fuck cars that rely on digital services.

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[–] rezad@lemmy.world 114 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

first they disabled Russian porsches and I didn't care because I am not a russian owner of a porsche.

then they came for Ukrainian tractors and I didn't care because I am not an Ukrainian owner of a tractor.

then step by step everything was digitally locked and I owned nothing and I was not really happy.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 30 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Just got a dishwasher and it doesn't even have an app. How can that be?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Just got a toilet and it doesn’t even have an app. How can that be?

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Just got a car and it is driven by bear. How can this be?

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You may be Russian, or Alaskan.

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[–] rezad@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

are you from the past?

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[–] einkorn@feddit.org 43 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

[...] and what owners can do next.

Sell their Porsche and buy a car that can't be locked remotely?

[–] Jrockwar@feddit.uk 33 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

In 2025? Is that even a thing?

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There might be some old Ladas around.

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[–] RipLemmDotEE@lemmy.today 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You can disable the modem on new Toyotas and they run fine. The dealership will bitch and moan but they can be disabled.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

You can also steal new toyotas in a matter of minutes because they absolutely fucked up the can bus security.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

One way to tell: disable the cellular modem in your car and see if it still operates.

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This assumes there’s a user accessible option to disable it.

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

I assumed it's not a option, so I took the suggestion to mean "physically disable" the device. Modern cars have a number of integrated computers and they rarely serve individual purposes, but there's a good chance there's an external antenna near/in a window. Granted, I don't have any vehicles with cell service, so I could be wrong. I do own a drill though

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Just wrap your car in tinfoil. Bonus is that it stops the government from reading you mind while inside.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago

Shill for big foil..thanks for the advice MR REYNOLDS.

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 29 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I doubt most owners of recent-model luxury-brand cars in Russia are average joes for which this is their only transport. I therefore find my sympathy to be somewhat limited.

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[–] garretble@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I feel like I got my car at the perfect time:

It has Android Auto and CarPlay, and it's a manual so there's no way for it to turn on or off remotely.

Now I just have to make sure it survives until I die.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (11 children)

It's a voluntary anti-theft measure I believe. Prevents it from being started without the owner's consent. Which immobilizers are also supposed to do, but we all know how well those work.

If I owned a Porsche in Russia, I would also get something like that tbh. Luckily I don't live in Russia, nor do I have a Porsche anymore and mine was too old for this kinda shit anyway

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Vehicle Tracking System (VTS) — a security module designed to prevent theft but now shutting down cars unexpectedly.

Also, what a strangely written article.

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago

Remember when they started this with games? It would phone home every time you started it up and make sure your license was valid.

And then companies stopped supporting the game or went out of business. And all of a sudden no one could play those games anymore.

Now they're doing it with cars. How long until that expensive car you bought is no longer supported and you have to upgrade to the new model?

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Owners welcomed theft deterrent like that. OnStar is probably the main original US service, found in GM cars. I think Subaru picked them up at some point, but basically all new cars have the option to have manufacturer tracking and app-based vehicle connections for remote start, tracking, service alerts, diagnostic uploads, etc

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

But who steals a Porsche? 1 in 4 Lexus SUVs are stolen because where they end up in eastern europe and Africa, people want reliable vehicles. Top two stolen vehicles by far are Civics and Accords for that reason. No one steals Land Rovers.

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe Russia started jamming satellite signals and did this to themselves.

[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 weeks ago

Not only due (or probably not even because of) Satellite system failure.

In order to fight drones flying over the border from Ukraine, Russia implemented new restrictions to cellular connections. From like last 2 weeks they made so that when a sim card that enters russian border, it will be denied cellular connection for 24 hours. This also include russian sim cards that have been not connected to russian cellular network for over 72 hours.

Almost every modern car today has a sim that communicates with servers all the time. It is just that Porsche also has this feature that can track car remotely and immobilize on demand. It utilizes this type of sim card. Porsche itself has nothing to do with why they are bricked. It is a byproduct of russian attempts at preventing drone attacks which backfires spectacularly.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 weeks ago

And this is why I will never own a vehicle manufactured after 2006.

I have just too little control with newer vehicles, be it having to auth with the mothership with every repair I do at home just to get it to start up, or even failing to start up in the first place when the mothership could not be contacted.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 weeks ago

I wish people (especially journalists) would get it through their skulls already:

  • Vehicles don't communicate with satellites.
  • GNSS (like GPS, GLONASS, Galileo, or BeiDou) do not use two way communication.
  • The satellite can therefore not know the position of a GNSS receiver.
  • Instead the satellites send timestamps and their positions, the receiver uses that information to calculate its own position. If the system with the receiver needs to report its position to someone they typically use some form of terrestrial communication, like mobile phone networks.

With that knowledge the comment by /u/imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com makes a lot more sense than whatever the article is trying to imply about satellite failures.

[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago

"smart" cars

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 7 points 2 weeks ago

Good thing this is a completely optional "feature" that I'd never pay for

[–] Magister@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Well, it's because Russia is jamming GPS signal, it affects planes, cars, everything relying on GPS.

[–] RipLemmDotEE@lemmy.today 7 points 2 weeks ago

That's a huge leap to assume GPS blocking was also blanketing other 2 way satellite communication frequencies.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

None of these things need GPS to function. Even planes. A compass, a map and a clock go a long way.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

Why not do cars need internet access in order to start?

I understand having auxiliary services the network connected but surely the failure mode should just be an error on the screen but otherwise the car should still function. It's not like operating without internet access is dangerous or anything.

Also, why don't we just do that, cut Russias internet access, it seems like it would cause utter chaos.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's the reason why no one steals Teslas. Easy to brick, impossible to charge on their system if stolen.

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