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Any move to “wipe the slate clean” for Russia in a peace deal would be “a historic mistake of huge proportions,” the EU justice commissioner tells POLITICO.

Donald Trump’s drive to secure peace in Ukraine must not let Vladimir Putin off the hook for war crimes committed by Russian forces, a top EU official has warned, effectively setting a new red line for a deal.

In an interview with POLITICO, Michael McGrath, the European commissioner for justice and democracy, said negotiators must ensure the push for a ceasefire does not result in Russia escaping prosecution.

His comments reflect concerns widely held in European capitals that the original American blueprint for a deal included the promise of a “full amnesty for actions committed during the war,” alongside plans to reintegrate Russia into the world economy.

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 88 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I DECLARE PARDON!

Yeah it doesn’t work that way Donnie. The Hague isn’t in the states last time I checked.

[–] ruekk@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, it does work that way when you're the nuclear superpower of the world with a sociopath at the helm

[–] Renohren@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago

It's nuclear status is irrelevant to the argument... The economic argument is much stronger.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

False. I've driven by Hague Ave on several occasions.

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Russian money told me otherwise - Trump

[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 29 points 1 week ago

Basically Trumps whole philosophy is “If you have money you’re above the law”. It’s what Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, etc are banking on while supporting him.

[–] aarch0x40@piefed.social 6 points 1 week ago

Good thing Puttie doesn’t store his wealth in rubles.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's a lot less russian money than there used to be.

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes but bribing trump is surprisingly cheap compared to the economic benefit that will get

Like the $1 mil dinner that would allowed Nvidia to make billions selling the GPUs to China (if China didn't forbid anyone to buy those cards)

Or the tacky gold Rolex bribe that lowered tariffs to Swiss from 40 to 15%

Or that gold ingot from Tim Apple.

And so on

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well...maybe. You're not seeing everything that goes through his meme coin.

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Nah, too complicated, and the pseudonymous traces are left forever in the Blockchain for public analysis.

The law allows unlimited donations to the presidential library, can directly send a bank transfer to that.

A corporation donating $200 mil to the presidential library (probably it can be even tax deducted) isn't as shady buying the same amount of a meme coin

USA geopolitical decisions, believe it or not, are made by US oligarchs and politicians, not by the evil eastern bad man. The USA needs to have accountability for the results of its policy and stop blaming third parties for it

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You can’t pardon Putin for war crimes in Ukraine... idiot.

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean, you can in the US, it just doesn't matter and doesn't mean anything outside.

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago

Beautiful peace process wants a word with you

[–] Kobibi@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, this is about a potential peace deal which would grant Putin immunity in Ukraine for any war crimes committed there, which theoretically Ukraine would sign. It's not about Trump using a presidential pardon.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ukraine has already stated it is not able to legally sign away territory (a big part of this bullshit "deal"). This is dead in the water unless there is a regime change in Ukraine, something that would likely cause even more issues.

[–] Kobibi@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's fine. I'm just replying to commentors thinking that this is referring to a trump domestic pardon. Not in any way supporting the notion

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This is the global political equivalent of standing on the couch and shouting "PEACE!". No one is taking the idea of letting russia get away with territory and any form of immunity seriously.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago

I hope you're right, but as of lately I never know what to expect, really

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The EU needs to issue arrest warrants for Trump and his entire Administration!

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago

They won't do shit about Netanyahu, you think they will do anything about Trump.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/12/03/fact-check-where-do-eu-countries-stand-on-iccs-arrest-warrant-for-netanyahu

https://www.rte.ie/news/us/2025/0311/1501359-trump-martin-us/

Didn't Trump visit his hotel to talk to EU leaders few months ago?

https://time.com/7305721/trump-tries-to-woo-skeptical-europe/

EU is as spineless as it comes when it comes to geopolitics involving US. They'll make some virtue signalling speech and then right after kiss US boots in the backroom and bark if they did a good job from daddy Trump.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Trump is as stereotypical American as you can get.
Ignorant, dishonest, self centered, and only interested in money.
Kind of the perfect representative for USA.
Many Americans think American law equals international law, so in this Trump is probably pretty average.

[–] lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Every New Yorker hates Trump’s guts, and historically and publicly have since the 1980s. You are absolutely correct to criticize our current government, but the rest of this just feels like frustrated lashing out

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As a foreigner this is easy to observe, as an American it may not be so obvious.
But USA is clearly extreme on American exceptionalism.

The past few years (decade) it has gone down a bit, because the non Republicans are beginning to see it.
New Yorker can hate Trump as much as they want, many of them they still share some of those fundamental traits.

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The US is 55+ states and dozens of Indian nations all stuck together under one flag. There isn’t a stereotypical person from the States any more than there is a stereotypical European. Putting aside that ‘American’ covers North, South, and Central America.

[–] bcgm3@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything."

- The Guy Who Thinks He Can Do Anything

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 0 points 1 week ago

He can't do anything his Zionist handlers don't want

[–] LordOfLocksley@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

We've seen what a Trump peace deal really means, with Israel and Gaza

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[–] ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

Fuck you, Trump.

[–] Ronno@feddit.nl 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Another article in 2025 that we didn't expect to read a couple of years ago, what the F is this timeline?

[–] rowinxavier@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don't worry, we will all wake up to Hillary winning in 2016 any minute now... Now.... Now.... Please... Oh god, I think this is actually happening...

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

While it wouldn't be this bad compared to now i feel the amount of Israeli ass kissing would still be ridiculous with Clinton in the white house

[–] watson@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Also, Trump can’t pardon anyone outside of the United States for anything.

[–] TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

But... but America is the king of the world, isn't it?

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

Just recently, I joked that Trump might try to pardon Netenyahu. Looks like I was right in thinking that he thinks he can pardon people in other countries.

Not before he pays his fee you can't, that would just be foolish

[–] myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

Yes he can. Trump can do whatever he wants. Like rape children. Or, pretend to be the king of the world. Or commit war crimes. Or take naps during meetings.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

JFC, can Putin just fall out of a window already? Any window. Make a window in a plane for him to fall out of. I'm so sick of this.

[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

While I like the sentiment, unless the EU is interested in a WWII style total war and invasion of Russia, Putin is never going to be held to account for the invasion of Ukraine.

The Russian government (Read: Putin and his cronies) are not going to agree to hand Putin over to The Hague. Even if the current war ends on favorable terms for Ukraine, that is never going to look anything like the German or Japanese surrenders. At best, this war ends with Russian military exhaustion and withdrawal. More like the end of Soviet involvement in Afghanistan. There will be no push to Moscow, no mass bombing of Russian factories or cities. Just Russian soldiers packing up and going home, leaving death and devastation behind for the survivors of their invasion to deal with.

Any negotiated peace is going to look pretty similar. It will stop the death sooner at the cost of giving Russia something it's willing to accept. That's the way negotiations work. If you want to force the other side to accept your terms, without any compromise, that's what war is for. Since it seems neither the EU nor the US are willing to engage in a direct confrontation with Russia, then the only choice to end this war early is compromise. And Putin facing accountability is almost certainly not going to be on the table.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There is another option, which is Putin is couped out of office. The new Russian government wants to get rid of Putin and sending him to the Hague would mean he is locked up for life and all the problems Russia has can be blamed on him. It also creates some good will with the Ukrainians for peace negotiations. The Wagner revolt shows that this is certainly possible.

[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

While that is possible, I'd seriously doubt it happening. Wagner's run at Moscow seemed like the best opportunity for that to happen, but it just stalled out. I'm still surprised Prighozin, stopped his push short of Moscow. I was not surprised afterwards when an airplane he was on suffered "technical difficulties". But, between the failure of Wagner to remove Putin and them now being rolled into the Russian military, I think Putin has done a lot to consolidate his control over the armed forces, exactly to prevent that outcome.

Ya, it could happen, I don't believe it's likely.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

There is no expectation that Putin will ever stand trial for his crimes. That's not the point. The point is that he should not be allowed to have those crimes swept under the rug. Putin should be a global pariah, like Netanyahu; a man who has to fear setting foot outside his own country because of the very real danger that he could be arrested.

Just because we can't punish him, doesn't mean we have to forgive him.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wish it was true, but the reality seems to disagree. Trump very much can pardon Putin and anyone else, and will do so if he wants to. The EU may cry, but it will do nothing about it. I'm not one bit happy about this, but that's just how it is.

Currently, EU leaders consist of the following types of politicians:

  • American assets,
  • lunatic nationalists who happen to side with the US for a variety of reasons,
  • more or less reasonable (for politician standards), but still afraid to confront the US in any way.

Any time Washington wants something, they get it from us. Any time they tell Europe to bend over, it does so, lubricant in hand. Want us to completely illegally seize a Chinese company's Dutch branch, leading to no benefits and severe sanctions from China? Done, daddy.

It's a sad state of affairs, but current EU is not prepared to stand up for itself. A combination of US and Russian interference, as well as braindead far-right nationalists have made sure we're powerless and unable to act on anything significant.

Empires simply cannot tolerate the existence of a place like the EU. It shows their citizens that they don't have to be slaves and that not every single minute of life has to suck. Which in turn might cause them to protest, and we can't have that. How many times have you heard the "employment in the USA vs employment in France" memes? Well, the American Empire has found a reliable solution to this issue. Just destroy France, along with all of Europe, and American slaves will stop complaining about shitty work conditions compared to France!

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago
  • American assets,
  • lunatic nationalists who happen to side with the US for a variety of reasons,
  • more or less reasonable (for politician standards), but still afraid to confront the US in any way.

Category #3 is just as afraid of the lunatic nationalists as defying American interests. This is, from my perspective, why Europe has traditionally had some issues with ultranationalism.

[–] thorhop@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

Too late. Putin already pair for it. He's now got to render the service, like he did many times before.

It's the art of the deal.

[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

Why the double standards EU

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