Ah but have you tried burning a few trillion dollars in front of the painting? That might make a difference!
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I had a poster in ‘86 that I wanted to come alive.
And not even a good painting but an inconsistent one, whose eyes follow you around the room, and occasionally tries to harm you.
That kind of painting seems more likely to come alive
New fear unlocked!
... What the hell, man?!
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Bro have you never seen a Scooby Doo episode? This can't be a new concept for you...
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...new SCP?
I tried to submit an SCP once but theres a "review process" and it boils down to only getting in by knowing somebody who is in.
Agents have debated that the new phenomenon may or may not constitute a new designation. While some have reported the painting following them, the same agents will then later report nothing seems to occur. The agents who report a higher frequency of the painting following them also report a higher frequency of unexplained injury. The injuries can be attributed to cases of self harm, leading scientists to believe these SCP agents were predisposed to mental illness that was not caught during new agent screening.
And that has between seleven and 14+e^πi^ fingers
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Painting?
"LLMs are a blurry JPEG of the web" - unknown (I've heard it as an unattributed quote)
The example I gave my wife was "expecting General AI from the current LLM models, is like teaching a dog to roll over and expecting that, with a year of intense training, the dog will graduate from law school"
I can define "LLM", "a painting", and "alive". Those definitions don't require assumptions or gut feelings. We could easily come up with a set of questions and an answer key that will tell you if a particular thing is an LLM or a painting and whether or not it's alive.
I'm not aware of any such definition of conscious, nor am I aware of any universal tests of consciousness. Without that definition, it's like Ebert claiming that, "Video games can never be art".
Absolutely everything requires assumptions, even our most objective and "laws of the universe" type observations rely on sets of axioms or first principles that must simply be accepted as true-though-unprovable if we are going to get anyplace at all even in math and the hard sciences let alone philosophy or social sciences.
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Except ... being alive is well defined. But consciousness is not. And we do not even know where it comes from.
Viruses and prions: "Allow us to introduce ourselves"
I meant alive in the context of the post. Everyone knows what painting becoming alive means.
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Not fully, but we know it requires a minimum amount of activity in the brains of vertabrates, and at least observable in some large invertebrates.
I'm vastly oversimplifying and I'm not an expert, but essentially all consciousness is, is an automatic processing state of all present stimulation in a creatures environment that allows it to react to new information in a probably survivable way, and allow it to react to it in the future with minor changes in the environment. Hence why you can scare an animal away from food while a threat is present, but you can't scare away an insect.
It appears that the frequency of activity is related to the amount of information processed and held in memory. At a certain threshold of activity, most unfiltered stimulus is retained to form what we would call consciousness - in the form of maintaining sensory awareness and at least in humans, thought awareness. Below that threshold both short term and long term memory are impaired, and no response to stimulation occurs. Basic autonomic function is maintained, but severely impacted.
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Remember when passing the Turing Test was like a big deal? And then it happened. And now we have things like this:
Stanford researchers reported that ChatGPT passes the test; they found that ChatGPT-4 "passes a rigorous Turing test, diverging from average human behavior chiefly to be more cooperative"
The best way to differentiate computers to people is we haven't taught AI to be an asshole all the time. Maybe it's a good thing they aren't like us.
Alternative way to phrase it, we don't train humans to be ego-satiating brown nosers, we train them to be (often poor) judges of character. AI would be just as nice to David Duke as it is to you. Also, "they" is anthropomorphizing LLM AI much more than it deserves, it's not even a single identity, let alone a set of multiple identities. It is a bundle of hallucinations, loosely tied together by suggestions and patterns taken from stolen data
Sometimes. I feel like LLM technology and it's relationship with humans is a symptom of how poorly we treat each other.
The best way to differentiate computers to people is we haven't taught AI to be an asshole all the time
Elon is trying really with Grok, tho.
I don't expect it. I'm going to talk to the AI and nothing else until my psychosis hallucinates it.
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People used to talk about the idea of uploading your consciousness to a computer to achieve immortality. But nowadays I don't think anyone would trust it. You could tell me my consciousness was uploaded and show me a version of me that was indistinguishable from myself in every way, but I still wouldn't believe it experiences or feels anything as I do, even though it claims to do so. Especially if it's based on an LLM, since they are superficial imitations by design.
Also even if it does experience and feel and has awareness and all that jazz, why do I want that? The I that is me is still going to face The Reaper, which is the only real reason to want immortality.
Well, that's why we need clones with mind transfer, and to be unconscious during the process. When you wake up you won't know whether you're the original or the copy so why worry
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The Eliza effect
Good showering!
It's achieveable if enough alcohol is added to the subject looking at the said painting. And with some exotic chemistry they may even start to taste or hear the colors.
Or boredom and starvation
The first life did not possess a sentient consciousness. Yet here you are reading this now. No one even tried to direct that. Quite the opposite, everything has been trying to kill you from the very start.
Nah trust me we just need a better, more realistic looking ink. $500 billion to ink development oughta do it.
Fair and flawless comparison. I've got nothing to add.
They have invented a thing that needs someone to want something for it to do it. We have yet to see an artificial EGO. An AEGO.
It reminds me of the reaction of the public to 1896 documentary The Arrival of a Train at La Ciotat Station. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Arriv%C3%A9e_d%27un_train_en_gare_de_La_Ciotat
Clair Obscur: Expedition 33
Clair Obscur: Expedition to meet the Dessandre Family
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