It looks like all airlines and pilots are afraid of the threat posed by the rogue country on the American continent - and I'm not talking about the one on the map.
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Technically the US is on the map, though. Puerto Rico is right there.
The president of Puerto Rico would have something to say about that.
That's a colony owned by the US but arguably not a part of the united states proper since PR isn't a state
They're all still american citizens (for now) so I'd say it counts.
Honestly how much does that mean when they lack representatives / are unable to vote, and do not get full protection of US constitution (as per Wikipedia)? Sounds like citizens in name only..
Doesn’t your logic also throw out anyone living in Washington, D.C.?
Yes, and that's also a significant problem and should be illegal.
It is. But enough of them still think that going full statehood brings other evils and they're content with the sublevel of protection they have. And that is their right, we shouldn't force it on anyone who doesn't want it.
Didn't their last vote on it get 57% for statehood? I think it just wasn't approved by Congress
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico_statehood_movement
Some of the votes were problematic because of boycotts, turnouts, and how the ballots were phrased or what they offered to vote on. I don't know what would be best for them, but that's also why I only think the offer should always be on the table and let them decide.
A big part of the issue that is also affecting other states is mentioned in that article, the capping of the House numbers. We do not have proper representation in numbers that can handle the population (and that doesn't even get into gerrymandering).
Some of the votes were problematic because of boycotts, turnouts, and how the ballots were phrased or what they offered to vote on. I don't know what would be best for them, but that's also why I only think the offer should always be on the table and let them decide.
meh, you can use the same excuses every time they have an election to avoid doing anything.
Words cannot express how much I hate the cap on House reps XD
Taxation without representation is a very american thing.
I mean, is it though? Seems like there are a whole lot of such countries.. at the very least, every country which isn't some sort of democracy.
Are you also prepared to argue the same about Native American reservations or other territories? I feel like that kind of othering is dangerous.
You think a pizza cutter like that even thought through what they were saying?
I think in this situation it's probably a good thing to not be counted as part of the US, so yeah, I'd ~~absolve~~ other them too.
Othering? Sorry I'm not sure I understand your comment, are you falsely assuming I'm american? Are you saying the natives are being treated well?
They are a state. They are not one of the states in the union. Americans forget state is just a government of a territory. The united states is just a special group of them that decided to work together.
That is what I meant
"Hey guys. Guys. Listen. Lisssen.
What if.
What if we..
Lissen guys.
What if we...
Get involved in a 20 year war with jungle guerillas in Venezuela...
Hear me out..."
Just one more proxy war bro I swear that's all we need and we'll be done just one more bro please
This isnt likely to be a proxy war
More like Petro war
Ok, so ... somehow it appears no one in this thread is yet aware of this:
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/29/trump-venezuelan-airspace-military-00670743
President Donald Trump abruptly ordered the airspace closed above and around Venezuela on Saturday, further escalating tensions between the U.S. president and Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro, whom the White House accuses of working with narco-terrorist organizations to facilitate drug trafficking.
“To all Airlines, Pilots, Drug Dealers, and Human Traffickers, please consider THE AIRSPACE ABOVE AND SURROUNDING VENEZUELA TO BE CLOSED IN ITS ENTIRETY,” the president wrote on Truth Social Saturday morning.
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115633041089714842
Uh, yeah, Trump effectively, unilaterally, just declared a Desert Shield/Storm style No Fly Zone.
... thats what you do before you begin a massive air campaign.
So, as of two weeks ago, the Gerald R Ford was near Venezuela...
But apparently, right now, its ... sorta near the Pillars of Hercules?
https://www.cruisingearth.com/ship-tracker/united-states-navy/uss-gerald-r-ford/
Uh anyways yeah, looks like we're gonna be doing a bit of involuntary regime change on Venezuela,
...
The Dollar, the PetroDollar, is currently imploding.
Japan is unwinding its decades long carry trade that had been greatly propping up the US financial system, China's not buying any more US debt instruments, uh, our entire economy is a giant scam/bet on AI...
...uh, BlackRock is currently imploding, so that means the entire Shadow Banking system of private lending is also going to blow up...
... and maybe you missed the reveal a few weeks back that a huge chunk of our 'foreign held debt' is actually held by the Cayman Islands.
Which means its actually held by Wall Street traders, doing a basis trade, which means they bought that debt on something like 100:1 leverage.
Yeah our finances and thus entire monetary system are looking very bad right now.
Did I mention how treasury yields keep popping outside of the Fed's control channel?
AKA: The Fed is losing the ability to actually set interest rates?
So, with that in mind:
If... you can secure all or a large chunk of VZ's oil...
... well, maybe... that props up the USD PetroDollar a bit more, for a while longer.
What is happening with Black Rock?
Various hedgefunds have been really struggling. IDK about Blackrock as a whole, but I know that the company I currently work for was until very recently owned by Blackrock and shortly after the acquisition an investigation by the DOL concluded and the resulting media shitstorm caused a lot of customers to break contract in short succession. The company has not been profitable since then. Blackrock recently sold the organization to a large bank (I forget which one) presumably at quite a loss given how much the company has shrunk since they bought it (went from 30k employees down to around 15k!)
Here’s an article I found that may help provide context;
TL;DR: Trump advises people not to fly over or to Venezuela, some airlines stop, Venezuela govt bans airlines from flying there in response
You can't fire me I quit vibes
Just checked and there are still some
So we're firmly in the Wag The Dog timeline.
Can't wait to see what Kid Rock manages to rhyme with Venezuela...
There is no possibility of it being anything other than genitalia.
Trumps genitalia Up on my face He bomb's Venezuela what a stupid place /s
And it would most probably be about child's genitalia.
Source: https://loudwire.com/kid-rock-sang-underage-song-kids-movie-soundtrack-osmosis-jones/
He's gonna fail ya
Just America being a terrorist state and threatening to blow up innocent people, no biggie
You can check sites like https://skyvector.com/ to see active TFRs (temporary flight restrictions). This includes near permanent ones surrounding the White House and the President's residence.
There are no TFRs around Venezuela. There are a few southeast of Puerto Rico that are for the DOD, presumably that is where they've been launching their attacks from.
Oh no, the bermuda triangle now has landmass!
/j
Are Aruba, Curaçao, Trinidad and Tobago cutoff?