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the argument against it that I see the most is that governments are inherently corruptible and bad at managing taxpayer money and so it's destined to become a big scam.
fair enough, to be honest
yeah but it does that shit anyway under Capitalism. XD
Care? hahahaha. You made me laugh.
At the national level it’s because they(the federal government) is taking your tax money to pay someone hundreds of miles away for existing. At the local level it’s because “private charity already does that.”
To be fair to liberals, liberalism is also a system to take care of your neighbors.
Liberalism is basically capitalism with patches. Public option health care, government contractors, food stamps, tuition assistance, bus vouchers, child tax credits.
Socialism is a capitalism replacement. Universal health care, government organizations, free government grocery stores, free education, free public transportation, free day care.
Both groups on the left care about their neighbors.
It's mostly thanks to the worst real world attempts to create socialism in the 1900s, which ended up being not terribly different from plain fascism. In core USSR cities things were probably kind of fine for most people, but the farther away you got from the large cities and the motherland, the worse it got. Ukraine had a man-made famine that killed 3-10 million people. China has similar horrible hunger waves due to human mistakes or malevolence in planning. Gulag Archipleago, Stasi, KGB. When people attempted to free themselves from communism, the attempts were brutally crushed. Oppression was everywhere.
If you want to meet people who hate socialism most, go to places that used to be socialist. Sure, USA had some counter-propaganda against communism, but it 100% is not the only reason why people don't like it.
Just because it has failed miserably in the past might not mean that it must fail in the future too if somebody is ~~dumb~~brave enough to try again. But there are some important differences between now and then and those differences might be important if put to good use. For instance, we have significant computer capacity today that didn't exist back when communism was really tried the last time. Perhaps those difficult allocation problems can be worked out. Perhaps. Perhaps AI can be an impartial divider of resources. Just let me build the model, I'll make it fair, I promise.
I wonder how Lemmy would explain the apparently much more blatant hatred towards free market capitalism though.
It gets really hard to make money and exploit people when they don't fear for their livelihoods.
Perhaps a comment against it could be something like “why should I pay for someone else’s health care?”.
I guess if your beloved leader has told you enough times that socialized health care is bad (communism?), then you won’t investigate what that kind of health care really looks like, and you’ll parrot the statement in belief and acceptance.
We already pay for other people's healthcare, car accidents, house fires. That's how insurance works. We all pay into it, and some people have their claims paid, while others never make a claim.
Because if someone needs healthcare and can’t afford it, you’re going to pay for it anyway.
Unless you want a system where medical emergencies are turned away at the hospital door. It will be less expensive for you to pay for society’s preventative holistic care than it will be to pay for emergency room visits once the problems have gotten worse.
Unless you want a system where medical emergencies are turned away at the hospital door.
A lot of people definitely want that, especially if it's brown people or LGBT+ people having the emergencies.
The kind we know from history and China has the problem of giving some individuals way too much power over others. But so does capitalism in the long run, in way meaner ways.