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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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INFO

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Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 129 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Ironic how's he's got the name of someone ICE typically deports

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Like half of them are, it's ridiculous.

[–] Akuchimoya@startrek.website 44 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There were Jews for Hitler. These people really think they're "one of the good ones". They're just useful labour until the labour part is done, then they'll get tossed in with the rest of the Jews/Hispanics.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Friendly fire

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

and the looks

[–] bytesonbike@discuss.online 73 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

According to this, he isn't ice. But then again, ICE isn't exactly open about who actually works there.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-11-17/riverside-county-off-duty-officer-points-gun-at-teen

Gerardo Rodriguez, 46, was known by neighbors to be an agent employed by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement or Customs and Border Patrol, said Greg Kirakosian, a lawyer representing the teenager. An ICE spokesperson wrote that Rodriguez is not employed by the agency. A CBP spokesperson said in a statement: “This matter is under investigation.”

The teenager had driven by Rodriguez’s home in Temecula to drop friends off at a nearby house at around 10 p.m. on Nov. 10, Kirakosian said. When he drove back he was stopped by Rodriguez, who pulled a gun. The Riverside County Sheriff’s Department was dispatched at around 10:40 p.m., according to a news release.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 45 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

"is not" Hmm. What about "was not"? Did they fire him so they could say is not? Is he a contractor? A merc?

[–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Every agent that's gotten into trouble on duty I've seen were classified as a civilian detail working alongside the federal agents. Probably so they don't have to take accountability for their training or actions.

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 weeks ago

What fucking bullshit!

[–] jaupsinluggies@feddit.uk 6 points 3 weeks ago

It depends what you mean by "is".

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Didn't really expect them to own it

[–] hexdream@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Of not employed by ice, that explains why he was arrested.

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 54 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Latino ice agent. I hope everyone he knows hates him, what a traitor

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

CBP has always been a big employer of people who can speak spanish. You'd be surprised how many of the federal government's lowest level enforcers are hispanic or latino.

[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Throughout the entirety of documented history about 1/3 of literally every demographic of people (including yours!) are complete shit. This is why we always have and always will struggle and fail with meaningful progress.

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[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 49 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Imagine having a Spanish last name and working with ICE.

[–] mean_bean279@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago

As someone who is part Mexican I can assure you that Mexican and other Latin groups are definitely the worst kind of people about “illegal” immigrants. They’ll literally throw other Hispanics under the bus in order to feel like they belong here.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

IKR. Im sure they'll remember his support once they start running low on people to disappear.

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You need not imagine. We already know what happened to the 'Jew for Hitler' party. >!They came for them too.!<

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

Tío Tomás*

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[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Talk about a Benedict Arnold….

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I've met plenty of self hating Latinos — it's not as wild a concept as you might think.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah but working for an organization that actively hates you is wild to me.

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Latinos are not a homogeneous group anymore than all White people, or Asians are homogeneous.

That said, imagine being any human being and working with ICE.

WTF is wrong with you?

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago

I mean working for ICE is fucking terrible, but having a Spanish name and working for ICE is so completely disconnected considering what is happening right now. Latinos are specifically targetted regardless how homogenous the group is.

[–] KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 weeks ago

Class traitor too

[–] Throbbing_banjo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Please put this fuck in gen pop

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

In South Sudan? Or Argentina?

[–] Burninator05@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Is "yes" an option?

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Gerardo Rodriguez, 45, of Temecula, faces charges that include assault with a deadly weapon, child endangerment and assault by a public officer in connection with the incident. According to attorney Greg Kirakosian, Rodriguez pointed a firearm at his teenage client.

“My client, 17-year-old Mexican-American, was just dropping somebody off there,” Kirakosian said.

Surveillance video captured the confrontation, which happened shortly after 10 p.m. on Nov. 10 in Temecula. At the time, the teen, who is a U.S. citizen, was driving along Daybrook Terrace, taking a friend home when he was confronted by Rodriguez.

“Get out of the car. Put it in park,” Rodriguez can be heard ordering the teen in the video.

After hearing of the commotion, the boy’s mother arrived at the scene with her son’s passport to prove his citizenship. The boy’s father called the Riverside County Sheriff’s Department, who arrived shortly after.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/off-duty-federal-agent-arrest-temecula/3805911/

[–] bytesonbike@discuss.online 13 points 3 weeks ago

Makes my blood boil that his mom had to bring her kid's passport.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago

What a fucking trash country this is

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A criminal latino? Why is he not deported yet??

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[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 weeks ago

Piece of shit

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

In of itself, its not inherently illegal to detain someone when you're not a cop (e.g., shopkeepers' privilege). Same holds true if you see someone firebombing a school. You can detain someone for criminality until police arrive.

Just, ICE isn't a police force related to a criminal matter. Immigration is civil under Article II. It's why they cannot enter your home or a business on their own like cops can, and they cannot get a warrant from an immigration judge to do so since immigration proceedings are an executive agency matter under homeland security. That makes the immigration judge an administrative judge under Article II rather than a full judge under Article III. So, they cannot detain someone while off duty in any manner related to immigration.

[–] axexrx@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Citizen's arrest is generally pretty narrow in what / when it allows, even with the added protections to the process shopkeepers privilege grants to buisnesses.

The major hurdle is in most states you have to have witnessed the offense occur, (or a similarly high bar of burden of proof) or and in most states it must be a felony they commited.

Illegal immigracommitted. Only misdemeanor, unless someone has committed the offense multiple times. (Illegal reentry)

So in most states, the only way one could make a valid citizen's arrest of an illegal immigrant would be if you litterally watched them sneak over the border multiple times.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Rules don't matter if they aren't enforced.

[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 weeks ago

I'm GLAD we're giving BILLIONS of Tax Payer dollars to these People who are KIDNAPPING CHILDREN!

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That domain has not aged well.... remember when we had hope that crimes would be punished?

[–] Batmorous@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Stop giving up, do, and get others active.

To everyone reading this we will punish them by getting together and doing!! Many of us already are doing, and more people will help even more:

https://www.goodgoodgood.co/articles/hope-key-in-meaningful-life

https://www.goodgoodgood.co/articles/hopeful-people-live-better-lives-study

[–] reptar@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Piggybacking to ask others (or you!) familiar with finding/building local mutual aid to PM my dumbass. I'm a founding idiot in a lot of red.

And, I don't envision such a group has to align with me (in whatever context) other than support and do no harm.

Hope you don't mind Batmorous

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, it's the people they're rounding up that are the criminals 🙄

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