More like about 10,000 years ago when humans started farming and agriculture to grow crops at scale to make bread ... then at about the same time they domesticated cows in order to harvest milk and figure out how to make and store butter.
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The earliest known bread recipe dates back approximately 14,500 years, discovered in a stone fireplace at a site in northeastern Jordan, where charred remains of a pita-like flatbread were found.
where charred remains of a pita-like flatbread were found
Man, it must have been hella stale by then.
And "only" 5000 years if you count when people started using yeast for bread production, since the bread ain't the same without yeast.
Behold! The bread hierarchy!
Flour + water = hardtack
Flour + water + yeast = bread
Flour + water + yeast + butter = toast
Flour + water + leavener + butter + sugar = muffin
Flour + water + leavener + butter + sugar + eggs = cake
Flour + water + leavener + butter + sugar + eggs + chocolate = brownie
Flour + water + leavener + butter + sugar + eggs + chocolate + cream = cupcake
Flour + water = hardtack
clack clack
:D
Max Miller aww yeah
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It's pretty hard not to use yeast. It's everywhere and if you wait long it enough it'll start to ferment. Look at what some Orthodox Jews go through to make unleavened bread.
I got the opposite of whet you meant at first, did you mean 'to prevent it from leavening at all'? I found this in wiki and only then did I got it:
Dough is considered to begin the leavening process 18 minutes from the time it gets wet; sooner if eggs, fruit juice, or milk is added to the dough. The entire process of making matzah takes only a few minutes in efficient modern matzah bakeries.
Sorry for the confusion. This 18 minutes thing was exactly what I tried to say!
There are plenty of bread without yeast.
Yes there are, but the one in the picture clearly was made with yeast.
We gatekeeping bread now?
Pre-agricultural humans did still have access to flour and milk though.
But what did they milk to make butter?
I know this, and you know this. Shh. Don't ruin the meme
I could make bread right now. But I just want to eat bread right now. I don't wanna wait for it to rise and cook 😩
I guarantee you will still want to eat some bread later, and you'll even thank your past self for making the bread
As an USAmerican. The absolute travesty that we sell in the grocery store is one of the worst crimes against humanity.
I want to live in world where we're all walking distance from a bakery that makes real bread daily.
Yeah, I'm also from the US and my grocery store sells pretty solid breads. I also have solid French and Italian bakeries walking distance from my house. I also live in the suburbs.
Some people only have Dollar General.
US very big and very varied. So I'm from Jersey, if that helps, because I think it's important to be specific. We have great bread, great bagels, great pizza and for this I am very thankful.
do your grocery stores not all have bakeries in house, too?
like, I get that Walmart and the like can price out local bakeries, and then sell you shit "fresh" bread instead once they've forced the local small businesses to close. but it's better than the stuff that never moulds, yeah?
Walmart baked in house bread is close to the never molds variety. It uses modern GMO wheat with added preservatives and shortcut chemicals to reduce prep time from days to hours. Not to mention added sugars. Defending it would be like defending Subways "fresh baked bread" which isn't even legally allowed to be called bread in certain European countries. At one point they were caught putting the stuff in foam yoga mats in their bread.
In my opinion, that "bread" is a very distant cousin of homemade sourdough spelt (or whatever locally sourced whole grains was available) traditional known as bread.
Super Walmarts and Neighborhood Markets actually have bakeries and make real bread, too.
1st world problems
Do you think people in other countries make their own bread? 🤨
Bread remains one of the cheapest foods. Get some frozen bread, rinse it quickly with water, then bake it.
As good as fresh, dirt cheap, and you don't have to bake.
...then bake it.
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...you don't have to bake.
🤔
-_-
When I say bake the second time, I mean reheat in the oven, not literally bake
Dunno where you're at but Trader Joe's sells these half-baked breads, so you just pop it in the oven and bring it over the finish line. They're honestly not half bad, and you get freshly baked bread.
Bread 👍
And then for some of us, our bodies are like, "lol you've had enough of this. Now even just crumbs will fuck you up for a week or more." It was a good run.
F for respects (seriously, hope i never feel your pain, have known some with it too)
Thanks for the meal inspo OP
I think I'll go and make this right now
I love dipping that in some Zatar dip. I basically add a bit of olive oild to a small dish, then salt to taste a bunch of zatar, mix then dip away!!!
What, garlic bread?
Bredanbuddah
This is how the Britishpronounced it after drinking all the T
This is a word?
It's "bread and butter" but with some silly on it. Not a real word lol
Could have been swedish or something, lol.
Not enough umlauts
It’s smörebröd in Swedish, I think.
i want s’morebrod
I just made some homemade butter by accident and it fucking slaps so hard
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