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Stupid sexy raft (infosec.pub)
submitted 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) by fossilesque@mander.xyz to c/science_memes@mander.xyz
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[–] HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 220 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

I tgink I heard of that. Didn't the "scientist" just like self isolate, angry that they didn't fight eachother, while the other passengers became lifelong friends and had a great time?

[–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone 310 points 4 weeks ago (11 children)

It went beyond that. In an attempt to ferment discontent in the group he started reading their reports out loud. Airing all their dirty laundry. Instead of getting them mad at each other he basically forced them to settle all their issues and form together, closer than ever. After that didn't work he started trying to usurp authority from the captain that he selected because he thought as a woman she would crumble under the pressure of command. His greatest accomplishment as the new captain was damaging a fuel line and failing to fix it by swimming in the fuel and water.

If I remember correctly they had to rescue him and distract him while they fixed it themselves and after that he basically sulked in the corner of the raft. Only getting the balls to try something near the end of the experiment, trying to Shanghai the raft and expand the experiment to try and force his theories into reality. After they finally got back the subjects would get together every few years to relive the good old days without him.

It's ironic, by trying to get them to hate each other he accidentally became something for all of them to rally against.

[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 149 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

ferment discontent

I'm stealing this typo.

(It's "foment", but I love the imagery of rotten, festering discontent)

[–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone 56 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

You know, you reminded me of a vague memory. Making that same mistake in school, being corrected, and deciding that I liked it better my way. I was a stubborn child.

[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 36 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It is 100% better your way.

[–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Apparently they're related to two different Latin phrases. Fervēre, meaning "to boil or seethe," and fōvēre, meaning "to keep warm" or "to heat". So they're similar in definition and sound. Off by just a matter of degree.

[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 17 points 4 weeks ago

Even better!

[–] Fuck_u_spez_@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

And you reminded me of the Lord of War

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[–] HowAbt2day@futurology.today 23 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Kimchi Conflict. A great name for a punk band.

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Right alongside Kombucha Combat

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[–] napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.org 56 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

After they finally got back the subjects would get together every few years to relive the good old days without him.

The linked article in the post claims that the crew never met again until the person filming the documentary tracked some of them down.

They had not met since the Peace Project docked in Mexico 43 years earlier, so the reunion was poignant.

[–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 4 weeks ago

I knew I'd get something wrong. lol thanks for the correction.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 52 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

That's awesome. Like he was really hoping for some dismal and dark exposé on "savage human nature" a la "Lord of the Flies", and at every turn, proven wrong by people who were happy to just get along and cooperate for mutual benefit...

... Which should come as a complete shock, social species that we are! /s

I think these desperately dark tales of people turning on each other in sociological contexts is another propaganda tool to put this idea in our heads that without "qualified leaders" we'd all just be grunting and beating each other over the head with rocks.

Nah, someone with something to gain has to motivate us to fight each other. What if we just said "lol, anyway" and kept getting along on the raft?

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago

Sole problem left: there are those arseholes like the "leader" here actively trying to destroy every good thing. Fix that and we can have a wonderful society IMO.

[–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 4 weeks ago

Exactly my thoughts. The real cause of crime and violence in the abstract is inequality in the macro and social disorder in the micro.

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[–] hakase@lemmy.zip 33 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It's ironic, by trying to get them to hate each other he accidentally became something for all of them to rally against.

Major Payne already taught us that this works:

"They hate you!"

"Good. It'll draw them close together, make 'em a team."

[–] laserwash2000@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 weeks ago

“Hey guys, I think this is the Bad Place!”

[–] tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 17 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I mostly agree with the other *homey about “foment.”

I just want to add that all of the social experiments I’ve ever seen, *participated in, and/or ran nothing brings people together like a common enemy.

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[–] Admetus@sopuli.xyz 13 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s ironic, by trying to get them to hate each other he accidentally became something for all of them to rally against.

Like reverse Stockholm syndrome.

[–] ladicius@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

More like the age old scare politicians use to unite nations: An outward enemy.

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[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

So... did this scientists great grandchildren invent reality TV?

[–] vrek@programming.dev 18 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Fun fact a lot of people, including myself, believe the invention of reality TV was actually the writer strike in early 2000s. Basically TV writers went to the producers and said "you make all these millions and only pay us this small amount when we are the reason people watch these shows". The producers basically said "fuck you we will make TV shows without writers"

That created reality TV in America and panel shows in the UK.

[–] FryHyde@lemmy.zip 22 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

This is widely credited as the origin of modern reality tv, but it's not completely true. The earliest reality shows I can remember are Road Rules and The Real World, and those both predate the strike.

[–] vrek@programming.dev 14 points 4 weeks ago

True, maybe didn't create the concept but definitely expanded it

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago

Big brother is the first reality TV show that I recall being popular in the UK and Ireland. It kicked off in 2000 so well before the writers strike.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_(British_TV_series)

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[–] man_wtfhappenedtoyou@lemmy.world 32 points 4 weeks ago

That scientist sounds like a real bitch.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 25 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It goes to show that humans are actually good to each other on an individual level or in small groups.

It's when we place ourselves in massive groups and communities of thousands or millions or billions of people that we start to act terribly to other humans.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 16 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

"tribalism" being the word we use to label when a civilization engages in pointless violence when it's tribes that avoid this bullshit naturally by excluding the waste of time members of society who try to break society is so frustrating to me

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[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Sounds like projection from the incel scientists.

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[–] QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works 81 points 4 weeks ago

this "experiment" is SO much funnier than this post implies, the idea of the experiment is that in nature if you put males and females together they will either turn to 100% hate or 100% lust.

When the people were just having fun on the boat away from society he was upset that they weren't fucking he would act like an asshole to them.

When they inevitably got sick of his ass and yelled at him he wrote in his notes something along the lines of "I think my experiment is leaning twords pure rage side"

there's so much more to it that I'm forgetting but this video is 100% a watch https://youtu.be/BHXw3E1VqK4

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 59 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

In 1973, Mexican anthropologist Santiago Genovés set out to test a hypothesis. He had been struck by the connection between violence and sexuality in monkeys. “Most conflicts,” he noted, “are about sexual access to ovulating females.”

But would this apply to humans, too? To find out, Genovés asked a British boat builder to make a 12x7 metre raft called the Acali on which he planned to sail with 10 sexually attractive young people across the Atlantic from the Canary Islands to Mexico.

To spur conflict onboard, Genovés minimised opportunities for privacy.

The boat would have no engines and would sail towards the Caribbean, just in time for hurricane season. Genovés knew that the Acali was sailing into danger but thought science justified the risk. “I believe that in a dangerous situation people will act on their instincts and I will be able to study them.”

wild

He put women in charge, in part to reflect what he thought was growing gender equality. The raft was captained by Maria Björnstam and Edna Reves was ship doctor; men were given menial tasks. “I wonder if having women in power will lead to less violence or more,” mused Genovés. “Maybe men will become more frustrated when women are in charge, and try to take over power.”

Not that Genovés’ raft was an antidote to the patriarchy. With a Caribbean hurricane brewing, Maria, the experienced ship’s captain, recommended they pull into a port to sit out the storm. Genovés, fearing the ruin of his experiment if they did so, mutinied and took control of the raft.

oh the irony

But Genovés was symbolically castrated later, on the Atlantic crossing. A huge container ship bore down on the little raft and he panicked. Only Maria kept a cool head and organised flares to ward off the looming ship. After that, the guinea pigs turned on the scientist: Maria became captain again.

Overthrown, Genovés retreated below deck and collapsed into depression, made worse by news on the radio that his university wanted to be dissociated from the scandalous Sex Raft headlines. While lying there he started to cry for the first time since childhood and had an existential epiphany, writing: “Only one has shown any kind of aggression and that is me, a man trying to control everyone else, including himself.”


Was the Peace Project a failure? Fé argues it was a great success, even though the anthropologist couldn’t see it: “He was so focused on the violence and conflict, but he had it right in his hands. We started out as them and us and we became us.”

For Lindeen, it’s poignant that Fé praises the experiment. “If only [Genovés] had listened to why people were on the raft – Mary escaping an abusive husband, the racism Fé had suffered – he would have learned about the consequences of violence and how sometimes we can overcome it by overcoming our differences.”

yeah i guess genoves was so focused on the science, he forgot to look at the humans involved.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 13 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

But was there much fucking?

Doesn't sound like it.

[–] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 35 points 4 weeks ago

I remember hearing there were one or two hookups, all supported by the rest of the group giving them as much privacy as possible. Yeah, turns out that if you remove societal pressures and leave people alone, they tend to be pretty chill.

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[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 55 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

Brb, setting up an instance on https://sex.raft/

See you all at the floating orgy!

[–] WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world 46 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 weeks ago

c/usernamechecksout

[–] RustyShackleford@lemmy.zip 15 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I would actually join this lol.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 25 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

They had the sex but forgot to write it down, so they were just screwing ~~around.~~

[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 21 points 4 weeks ago

One of the rare cases where fucking around did not lead to finding out

[–] Gork@sopuli.xyz 21 points 4 weeks ago

By his actions to stir up drama, I can probably say with confidence that he did not get laid on that journey.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 19 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

If you televised that it would get 23 seasons on Hulu.

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 16 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

So, hear me out here, there is a huge reproduction crisis out there. In theory, you could try to replicate this study without the researcher being an asshole and see if it still works out and this would be a valuable line of research that could technically get funded.

I'm going to need a decent ship, some volunteers, and a 101 day supply of daiquiris.

Edit: (For clarity - this is scientific reproduction, not human reproduction)

[–] BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network 30 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Turns out humans are one of those animals that don't breed well in captivity, and alot of us are starting to realize we're captives.

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[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

There is no reproduction crisis. There may be challenges where you live, but, well...

Waves hand in general direction of Africa

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[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 15 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

The dollop did an episode on this and it’s absolutely bonkers.

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[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 15 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I seem to remember a similar experiment called Big Brother?

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 13 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

for real, today Sex Raft would have 55 seasons and 3 spinoffs.

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[–] thenextguy@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago

Sounds like a bit of Mark Twain…

Next, in another cage I confined an Irish Catholic from Tipperary, and as soon as he seemed tame I added a Scotch Presbyterian from Aberdeen. Next a Turk from Constantinople; a Greek Christian from Crete; an Armenian; a Methodist from the wilds of Arkansaw; a Bhuddist from China; a Brahmin from Benares. Finally, a Salvation Army Colonel from Wapping. Then I stayed away two whole days. When I came back to note results, the cage of Higher Animals was all right, but in the other there was but a chaos of gory odds and ends of turbans and fezzes and plaids and bones and flesh—not a specimen left alive. These Reasoning Animals had disagreed on a theological detail and carried the matter to a Higher Court.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 weeks ago

It was the seventies.

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