Nursing is a no, but theology is a yes.
They’re rolling back women’s lib, one step at a time. We had 50 years. We weren’t even there yet and they’re taking it away from us.
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I guess if you're a theology major that's like becoming a professional in make-believe.
I have nothing against soul searching for personal betterment. That’s cool. It’s bizarre that it’s considered “professional” when an accountant, nurse practitioner, and social worker are not.
I think that a person who has decided to major in Theology has already passed the point where they're soul searching for the most part. They've already decided to dedicate a lot of time to studying the thing they've already decided is the answer.
As a working professional electrical engineer, I get more, and much prefer, conversations of theology with more educated individuals than myself significantly more than I do with other technically minded people.
I'd also say that most people going into higher education for anything have "already decided to dedicate a lot of time to studying the thing they've already decided is the answer."
I get the impression that you think you disagree with me much more than I think you disagree with me, at least from what you've said here in your comment. I basically agree with everything you've said, apart from these two points, which I think you implied more than outright said:
First, I think you are implying that "more educated individuals than [yourself]" is a group that includes theology majors, but does not generally include "other technically minded people," which is something I disagree with.
And second, I think you are implying that the study of theology is simply an academic effort, like any other major. But the basis for my comment was the assertion that most people major in theology because they are already religious. They believe their own religion to be correct, and other beliefs to be incorrect, and therefore wish to study to further their devotion to that religion. Perhaps I am mistaken in that assertion, but that was the basis for my saying "they've already decided" the answer.
That probably depends on what style of theological study you are talking about, plenty of them are basically just historical literature specialist.
The changes are gender based. They aim to disenfranchise women the most. Project 2025.
It has also been reported that engineering, a business master's, counseling or therapy, and speech pathology will not be considered "professional" either.
Engineering is not professional? What a laughable sack of shit. We're going to have a lot of work ahead to undo this damage.
I look forward to improving our systems better than they'd previously been when trump and project 2025 showed up.
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Audiologists? What do they have against people being able to hear? This isn't a full list, right? Are ENTs not considered professionals too? Tell me dentists are also excluded. Optometrist? Is it really just this one specific doctor? I mean nurses are important, but I'll admit that society does not respect them, or other non doctor medical professionals, as much. The only word I could think of to describe them in the last sentence was professional.
92% of audiologists are women:
https://www.careerexplorer.com/careers/audiologist/demographics/
That is how the 1950s worked. Women were shut out of the workplace in favor of men due to the GI Bill.
It’s how we created a generation of angry, addicted, or tissue paper thin women, back in the day.
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Oh they have beef with the deaf and I don't know why.
Hilariously Republicans are disproportionately more likely to have hearing problems than Democrats thanks to demographics (republicans more often work blue collar jobs which put them in contact with excessive noise far more frequently for example)
Seriously? Architect? Accountant? What exactly does the distinction professional even mean then?
Professional.... When you do it for a living and can live off doing it then you're a professional.
Hookers are professional at sexual pleasures. Porn starts are professional at making sex videos. One could argue that these are not the same. Yet both are professions in my opinion.
I really like the etymology of the word.
Thus, as people became more and more specialized in their trade, they began to 'profess' their skill to others, and 'vow' to perform their trade to the highest known standard. With a reputation to uphold, trusted workers of a society who have a specific trade are considered professionals.
-Wikipedia
Yeah I get that, but obviously in the context given here that that definition doesn’t fit what they’re trying to say. Like what is THEIR working definition of profession they’re using where such things as nurses cannot be referred to as professionals?
Is POTUS on that list?
Today I saw the new Wicked movie. Afterwards, as I usually do after a movie, I went to the bathroom and checked my phone to see if Trump was dead yet. If he died, I was going to yell "ding dong the witch is dead", then I was going to come out of the stall and tell everyone in the bathroom that Trump was dead, then I was gonna play "no one mourns the wicked" on my phone
There is no other term for this beyond treasonous sabotage of American interests.
Who gives a flying fuck what this "man" or this regime says. He's a traitorous bastard that should be dragged out of office and hung from the neck.
Anyone about to go to college, this classification will determine how much financial aid you'll be eligible for.
First of all aren't audiologists doctors? Also where I live architects are considered engineers and saying engineering and medicine are non-professional is so absurd to me.
Also if people working in these professions could coordinate and organise a nationwide strike it would literally halt the entire economy.
What’s the consequences of this for those in those careers?
FTA:
"This means that those doing high-costing degrees, who may no longer receive the same amount as their degree may not be deemed "professional," could financially struggle to cover the costs—which could deter students from choosing to pursue those high-demand careers."
Of course he thinks educators aren’t a professional degree. Fucker cannot read bigly! Even if we don’t have gud ejukaters nothing bad can happen, it can only good happen. Slavery and bible is frend.
This is so out there. "We're not interested in running things, we just want to offend people." It takes neither a prophet nor a doomsayer to predict that this won't end well.
Students doing certain degrees may no longer receive the same amount of reimbursement for their studies now that the Department of Education is implementing various measures from President Donald Trump's One Big Beautiful Bill.
One measure coming into action is that whether a degree is considered "professional" will influence how much reimbursement a student receives for their higher education.
However, there are a number of what many see as "professional" degrees missing from the new list, such a nursing, which sparked significant concern among nurses and nursing organizations.
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Thanks for looking this data up. I think you’re absolutely right on this.
“It has also been reported that engineering, a business master's, counseling or therapy, and speech pathology will not be considered "professional" either.“
Well, AI can do the job of an engineer - they are just code monkeys. (sarcasm)
But the one I like the best - business masters. Stick it to the CEOs and corporate execs. According to Sundar Pichai, AI can do that job too! Karma.
When will we be able to exit the world of stupid?
Engineer here:
If I could get AI to put up with a client/architect's bullshit I'd vibe code my way to a life without meetings that could have been emails.
Here is what is funny for me. I worked in public education for almost 30 years. All that time the state of North Carolina did not let me join a union but I could join a professional organization like NCAE. So now I am not a professional so can teachers join a union now? And after reading the article I see that it will be shutting people out of getting these degrees because they have to take out loans for graduate school and post graduate work. So basically those who are in the middle of studies right now can expect to be left high and dry next fall.
So basically those who are in the middle of studies right now can expect to be left high and dry next fall.
Oh I'm sure they'll have plenty of private financing options with far less agreeable terms than federal student loans. Its just the federal government privatizing student loans one step at a time and thereby making college (literally the best dollar for dollar investment a government can make into its citizens) less attainable
43% of new architects are women
I see you writing "57% are not women", and I understand people choose their own path.
This is clearly a plan to minimize career paths for women.
At 43%? It seems like a plan to minimize THAT career path for all humans, with a mix that trends male slightly.
Is 43% still less than half?
You picked the one with the lowest percent. What I think is bizarre is that in every single instance of the jobs listed professional licensure is necessary to practice. How can you need a degree and a professional license and the degree not be considered professional? It makes zero sense. It seems pretty clear to me that there is an ulterior motive, with the most reasonable view within the context of this administration and the disproportionate impact on women is that it's calculated to punish women.
Read the link:
"Over the past 5 years, gender representation has increased from 38% to 43% for women in the new architect population."
That occupation is a growth category for women.
43% is too close to 50% for the administration.
Great, it's already a pain getting a decent audiologist…
The BBB got rid of direct plus loans starting 2026. Those are grad school loans that most people use to get any masters or fund PhDs that aren't fully funded.
So.
Literally every masters degree is impossible now unless you are rich.
I kept telling people it was in the bbb but everyone was worried about the medicaid medicare cuts.
Whole university departments are going to close.
No more doctors. Nurses. Lawyers. Engineers.
No more master level degrees for anyone except Nepo babies.
That's the plan in project 2025.
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