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We seriously need to differentiate servers, otherwise the decentralization is useless.

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[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Someone in another post showed a decent site that shows cloudflare dependency, so I threw the top 35 actives from observer into it. It's honestly not as bad as I expected it would be, but it is concerning.

Lemmylemmy.world(Active Users: 14512): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,proxy,cname)

sh.itjust.works(Active Users: 2509): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,proxy,cname)

lemmy.ml(Active Users: 2087): Cloudflare? No

lemmy.zip(Active Users: 1704): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,proxy,cname)

lemmy.dbzer0.com(Active Users: 1444): Cloudflare? No

lemmy.ca(Active Users: 1381): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,proxy,cname)

lemmygrad.ml(Active Users: 972): Cloudflare? No

lemmy.blahaj.zone(Active Users: 956): Cloudflare? No

programming.dev(Active Users: 929): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,proxy,cname)

discuss.tchncs.de(Active Users: 778): Cloudflare? No

sopuli.xyz(Active Users: 596): Cloudflare? No

slrpnk.net(Active Users: 371): Cloudflare? No

infosec.pub(Active Users: 331): Cloudflare? No

lemmy.today(Active Users: 314): Cloudflare? No

midwest.social(Active Users: 307): Cloudflare? No

reddthat.com(Active Users: 292): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,proxy,cname)

feddit.nl(Active Users: 290): Cloudflare? No

pawb.social(Active Users: 243): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,proxy,cname)

forum.guncadindex.com(Active Users: 234): Cloudflare? No

mander.xyz(Active Users: 194): Cloudflare? No

lemmings.world(Active Users: 177): Cloudflare? No

ani.social(Active Users: 173): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,proxy,cname)

feddit.it(Active Users: 158): Cloudflare? No

startrek.website(Active Users: 156): Cloudflare? No

feddit.dk(Active Users: 151): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,cname)

leminal.space(Active Users: 126): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,proxy,cname)

ttrpg.network(Active Users: 125): Cloudflare? No

szmer.info(Active Users: 116): Cloudflare? No

lemmy.eco.br(Active Users: 99): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,proxy,cname)

lemy.lol(Active Users: 97): Cloudflare? Yes(dns,cname)

awful.systems(Active Users: 90): Cloudflare? No

[–] davidgro@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I think you missed the second biggest instance (at least it was a while back.)

lemmynsfw.com is using Cloudflare DNS, CDN/Proxy

Edit:
Also noticed:
checkforcloudflare.selesti.com is using Cloudflare DNS, CDN/Proxy.

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

I used observer and sorted by active users, so maybe fediverse observer doesn't host the instance due to the NSFW? idk

[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Not the goonercave too, Say it ain't so.

[–] Cricket@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It looks like that source also didn't list hexbear.net, which seems to be around the 5th or 6th largest Lemmy instance, at 1.57k monthly active users. Results from the site you linked (thanks, by the way) say that they use Cloudflare for DNS but not for CDN/Proxy/SSL.

Hexbear and lemmynsfw aren't listed on fedidb either, which leads me to believe that they must block whatever discovery mechanism is being used by these fedi stats sites.

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

Yea that would make sense, if that endpoint is blocked then it wouldn't be added.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 16 points 1 month ago

Everything looked fine to me. I'm on mander.xyz

[–] cheeseburger@piefed.ca 16 points 1 month ago

dbzer0 was not affected and even had a post about it.

[–] ladel@feddit.uk 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I didn't notice anything on feddit.uk

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 3 points 1 month ago

Nor feddit.nl

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Piefed was down. Or at least piefed.social.

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago

Yeah it uses cloudflare for a number of services if I recall.

[–] MalReynolds@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago

FWIW I switched VPN egress to Singapore (I have two egress points up permanently and switch with foxyproxy) and was up again immediately.

[–] yessikg@fedia.io 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure fedia.io was up the whole time

[–] MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When was the cloudflare outage? I saw the memes about it on Fedia, but I have no clue if it was ongoing at the time.

[–] yessikg@fedia.io 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Early this morning, from 6 am EST, I think

Thank you! I didn’t get to the web till sometime after 7 EST but it fedia was fine then.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I mean, it's easy to check whether a given instance is using CloudFlare.

$ host lemmy.world|head -n1
lemmy.world has address 104.26.9.209
$ whois 104.26.9.209|grep ^NetName
NetName:        CLOUDFLARENET
$

You can browse anonymously on any instance that permits doing so, so if you just want to browse during an outage, you can do that anywhere.

IMHO, having an account on a second Threadiverse instance isn't necessarily a terrible idea, not just because of CloudFlare outages, but because instances do have outages for various reasons. I have an account on olio.cafe (PieFed, not on CloudFlare) and on lemmy.today (Lemmy, not on CloudFlare) because I wanted to try out PieFed, and I have fallen back to that to post before if lemmy.today has issues.

That being said, I didn't intentionally try to avoid CloudFlare. I mean, they're used by a lot of major sites, and I don't expect them to have a lot of downtime. I mean, every Threadiverse instance has had downtime for some reason or another. I've had Internet outages, as well as electricity outages. Not all that common or usually an extended thing, but they happen.

[–] tobogganablaze@lemmus.org 10 points 1 month ago

lemmus.org was online the entire time.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This other post has some discussion: https://lemmy.ca/post/55386786

While the downtime was most active, most of the top instances were down. Lemmy.ml, feddit.org, discuss.tchncs.de and behaw.org were all up. You can use https://lemmyverse.net/ to browse things and the ones offline all show a “content error” in lemmyverse.

Here is a screenshot that @straycatstrut@discuss.tchncs.de took during the outage

[–] passepartout@feddit.org 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I just came home and learned about the outage. Still can't get the smirk of superiority out of my face from when I noticed my people were still able to shitpost in my absence.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

I appreciate that different teams are doing different things, I'll have to remember to drop by during the next cloudflare outage 😄

[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Everything was down for me. Lemmy.ca using Voyager.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

We rely on Cloudflare for our instances, so unfortunately lemmy.ca, piefed.ca, and pixelfed.ca were all down during the outage

If anyone is curious, we've discussed why we use Cloudflare here: https://lemmy.ca/post/40252238/15009722

I just moved my instance off of cloudflare, you’re all welcome to make an account here!

[–] karashta@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago

sopuli.xyz and fedia.io both stayed up for me

[–] markz@suppo.fi 6 points 1 month ago

While you were away I was browsing cloudflare memes

[–] Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Slrpnk worked, I had to use that during the outage.

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Say it with me again: your server does not need middlemen that can break your stuff whenever they feel like it.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So, there are a couple of reasons to use CloudFlare, but I suspect that the reason that a lot of people are doing so is to deal with DDoSes, which are hard to deal with otherwise.

Like, my home instance, lemmy.today, doesn't use CloudFlare, so it isn't affected by a CloudFlare outage. But...it was also knocked offline for a few days about a month back by a DDoS.

A lot of major sites do depend on CloudFlare, so they probably aren't going to have a horrendous amount of downtime


like, any issue that comes up is probably gonna have a lot of engineers banging on it pretty quickly.

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[–] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 5 points 1 month ago

Startrek.website :)

[–] asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev 5 points 1 month ago
[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago

sopuli.xyz didn't have any issues. At least I could access it at any time, I don't know if there is any lag in federation due to unavailability of other instances.

Another important consideration is that Cloudflare outage might have been regional. Same content could be available in one region but not in another. On the Cloudflare status page they mention issues with London specifically.

[–] tux0r@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Then tell me which one. Because all of mine was offline.

[–] tux0r@feddit.org 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mine (feddit.org) was not.

[–] MCTamTam@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago
[–] TheMinions@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lemmy.world uses Cloudflare.

[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yep. I kinda realize that.

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

sh.itjust.works was down during it as well.

[–] baduhai@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 month ago

sopuli.xyz was fine.

[–] Sergio@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago
  • piefed.social - down
  • lemmy.world - down
  • slrpnk.net - up
  • mastodon.social - up
[–] TheImpressiveX@lemmy.today 3 points 1 month ago

Not Lemmy, but piefed.social was offline due to Cloudflare.

[–] DrDystopia@lemy.lol 3 points 1 month ago

My private archiving instance. But assuming there's still no users and federtion was broken, onlineity doesn't really matter.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 1 month ago

You can monitor instance downtime at:

https://lestat.org/

[–] Limfjorden@feddit.dk 2 points 1 month ago

feddit.dk was unaffected.

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

I just think clients should auto fail over to another instance. You should be able to pull posts from somewhere else but just be unable to post. No reason we can't pull posts though.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 1 points 1 month ago

Mine was. And ran better than ever because it didn't have to handle so many updates anymore. I missed the memes though, because the images weren't loading.

Surprisingly, lemmy.sdf.org. was up… not that SDF would use cloud flare.

[–] Pazintach@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago

discuss.tchncs.de was fine.

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