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    I don't quite understand the criticism. It's not gonna be top of the line, but it's more than enough to replace my dying laptop from 2015 that I pretty much only ever use like a desktop anyway. And I can save myself the time and effort of picking parts, building, and dealing with shit not working as expected.

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    [–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 189 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

    I have to keep using the megacorporate OS because the other megacorporation won't let me play their slop game unless they can install a virus on my computer!

    [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 92 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    It's Activision-Blizzard. It's the same megacorporation

    [–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 52 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Ah right, I forgot MS bought them.

    [–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)
    [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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    [–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 13 points 1 month ago

    Man I remember when both those names were something to get excited about.

    [–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 144 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    been playing on linux for many many years.

    never once have I been stopped by kernal level anticheat.

    Weird, its almost as if good games don't use invasive spyware rootkits.

    [–] FatVegan@leminal.space 63 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    I feel like the steam machine could actually change the trajectory of gaming. I mean look at the playstation 5. It was crazy overhyped, they don't have any games, pay to play online, the next one is around the corner. The xbox is somehow even worse. If the steam machine sells, linux is gonna see an insane push and the game developers have to sink or swim.

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    [–] Meron35@lemmy.world 121 points 1 month ago
    [–] Shipgirlboy@sh.itjust.works 87 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    I don't need it but I want it. The GabeCube has basically the best of both worlds, the ease of use of consoles and the multi purpose usage of a PC. That's also why it can't be priced like a console I'm afraid. It has to be sold at least at cost (production+development) and can't be subsidized by game sales like a PS or Xbox. A console without games is pretty much useless, the Steam Machine without games is still a damn fine PC.

    [–] rbos@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    If it was sold at a loss, businesses would scrape the whole supply and pave them for windows desktops.

    [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

    That just wouldn't happen unless the steam machine costs less than $300. That's usually the top a corporation is willing to pay for bulk mini nucs, which is all that they want for clerk desks. Information workers get laptops with dell or HP embossed in the lid. Workstations for top design or video editing require way more juice than the Steam Machine can deliver, those are bought on order to professional boutiques, or they just buy Apple. Also, no administrator will sit on the steam shop page to buy one at a time, they like their bulk purchases and Valve can simple refuse anyone buying hundreds of machines. Then, corporations don't just want the PC, they want tech support, advanced guarantee schemes, etc. This usually come with a subscription per seat. All things Valve simply won't provide. It won't even register as an option for businesses.

    This is an unfounded concern.

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    [–] heavy@sh.itjust.works 69 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    I mean thats gonna be the joke. If steam machine really does take off, developers will come, just like they're starting to cater to the deck. It'll set a standard for what people want to play on and what they need to make sure their game works on. This is beyond anti cheat and DRM but it'll be interesting to see how the momentum picks up.

    I'd bet that Microsoft is already thinking about getting gamepass working on it (for better or worse)

    [–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Depends how much the thing costs.

    [–] heavy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago

    Oh yeah I don't mean to imply that it's a guaranteed success, you're right.

    The hype is real though.

    [–] yakko@feddit.uk 60 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I don't think I need it, but I'm super glad it's going to exist.

    If it came with a native DVD reader and my PS4 suddenly died, I'd have some choices to make, however.

    [–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 72 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

    I'm 1000% certain you could attach a Blu-Ray drive via USB without internet telemetry, unlike Sony's policies ;)

    Edit: fixed rogue "care of" character, will contact GrapheneOS team lol

    [–] yakko@feddit.uk 22 points 1 month ago

    The idea did occur to me a minute after I'd commented. After my PS4 gives up, I'll have choices to make.

    [–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    1000β„…

    Surely you mean 1000‰ (1000 per mille), not care of. How did you type that, anyway?!

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    [–] Danitos@reddthat.com 58 points 1 month ago
    [–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 46 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    If it does not work on Linux I simply won't buy it.

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    [–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 46 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (9 children)

    I am excited for the steam machine because of the anti cheat issue. If we push for linux gaming, they are forced to either find a ~~spyware~~ kernel anti cheat solution for linux or drop the ~~spyware~~ kernel anti cheat.

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    [–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    In all honesty, I think it might be overall better if games like Fortnite, CoD or Fifa never get patched for Linux. The vast majority of their players are just addicts who fell victim to the predatory mechanisms. One of the few effective solutions is to cut them off this stuff.

    Ideally, these games shouldn't exist, at least not in their current form. But it's not like billionaire sociopaths will stop feeding on the weak and poor anytime soon.

    [–] conartistpanda@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Remember when Linux was about freedom? If the OS lets me delete root recursively, it can also let me play slop. It's not my mom.

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    [–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    That's the only thing I worry about personally, not the users so much, but the capitalists who see "opportunity" once Linux gains a hold, and start figuring out how to make it disgusting like everything else they touch with their greedy little slop mitts.

    It won't be "Well, Linux doesn't permit anticheat", it will be

    "Okay how do we create some centralized power structure that makes invasive DRM and anticheat that runs on Linux?"

    And they'll move to colonize.

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    [–] VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 1 month ago

    The best part of Linux is shitty games don't work on it.

    [–] deathmetal27@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    You don't use Linux because of kernel anti-cheats

    I don't play CoD because kernel anti-cheats

    We are not the same

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    [–] Demdaru@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    I am honestly curious how do Sony and Microsoft react internally to Valve deciding to get their part of cake. Nintendo shouldn't care, their cake is a separate cupcake at the top anyway, but Sony and Microsoft are directly in the line of fire.

    [–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Don't be surprised when one or both of them starts doing some shady shit to sabotage things if Valve starts eating a larger market share.

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    [–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

    Sounds like an Activision-Blizzard problem to me.

    [–] 1984@lemmy.today 24 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I will gladly give up a few games for running an amazing operating system instead of windows shit. :)

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    [–] REDACTED 24 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I genuinely do not understand the point of using kernel-level anticheats. They have been bypassed for nearly a decade now, you can buy cheats for any kernel-level anticheat game, battlefield 6 had hackers during the first betas, didn't even take more than a day to bypass it. The only thing they seem to be affecting is your player count and review ratings

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    [–] LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    The thing is this is a legitimate problem for the overall success of this. And the success of Linux as a general gaming OS. If people can't play their staples like CoD or fortnite or anything else with this problem, then that'll be enough to decide not to get this. Most people here probably don't care, but we're not the majority. And a lot of us probably aren't in the market for this anyway.

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    [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (3 children)
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    [–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 20 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I see this as an absolute win.

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    [–] Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

    You can literally install windows on it if you want

    [–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 month ago

    If they want to make their game incompatible with the best gaming systems I will simply not play it.

    [–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 month ago

    Its hard to even phrase this in a way that doesnt show that the game is clearly the problem and not linux

    [–] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

    Oh no! It only plays the CoD games that were good.

    IMO: let windows have that, as these games do some SCP-level containment for everyone sane in this hobby.

    [–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

    I'm curious what kind of overlap those who care about the freedom PC gaming affords and those who are really into COD that not being able to play COD on a Linux machine is an absolute deal breaker.

    Because on average, the console versions outsell the PC version by ~90%. So I am willing to bet money that those saying the SM sucks because it can't play COD7 unironically likely don't even play on PC to begin with and never planned to.

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    [–] thorhop@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 month ago

    Boycott the Call of Duty mines.

    [–] Darkness343@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

    They could sell it as a machine that protects your privacy and prevents any privacy invasive software from running in it

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