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I know the question is rather awkward at first and I am possibly overlooking something, but I would like to know something I really don't understand.

In the past I have used modified versions of Spotify and they are fine but obviously no modified version allows you to download songs because it is a premium function at server level and honestly I would like to have my songs on my device, so if I don't have internet I can still listen to them.

After those modified versions of Spotify, I have used apps like ViMusic, Spotube and SimpMusic which are basically Youtube Music apps but without ads and with more features, including downloading music, the problem is that they do that at the level of the app itself, not in a separate file. And I love these apps and I can not recommend them enough but my phone is a little old and I see 0 need to change it since I use it for basics usage and although this can sound dumb the interface of these apps are full of blur and unnecessary effects that make my device slow, including Spotify, and I don't like Spotify Lite because I feel it is a very trimmed version of Spotify.

So this is where my question comes in, for those who exclusively download music, how do you discover new songs? Spotify's recommendation system is great and Youtube's radio mode is very good but obviously I need to use Spotify or Youtube Music to use it and I prefer to use light apps for local playback because of what I already mentioned.

Edit: Thanks for all the recommendations! I never thought this post would get so many answers and there are too many comments to answer one by one, but I admit that the old-school method of reading blogs or magazines works well, and I also like the idea of sites like Last.fm or discogs.

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[–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 58 points 2 years ago (5 children)

This is what honestly sold me on streaming. The access to music is unprecedented and so is the discovery.

To put it in perspective, I have added more 5-star songs to my library in the past 4 years than the previous 20. About 30% of most of my favorite songs were recommended by the system.

I love music. Unless I go deaf, I can’t see my life without it. And I’m glad on some level that it’s not as lucrative as movies so I’m not upset shelling out the monthly fee. Likely the only service that that’s good piracy can’t even come close for me on this one.

[–] PropaGandalf@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Also with tidal-dl I can download all of my songs in high res flac quality with lyrics and everything. So I make regular backup all few months.

[–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 3 points 2 years ago

Are you me? I've been going wild the last 4 years. Mind sharing a top 5 or something? I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

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[–] nobloat@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] d4rko@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This is the correct answer :)

sputnikmusic.com is also good for metal, punk and indie music

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 years ago

You could look at everynoise.com to find artists close on the map to ones you like, and to discover related genres. It's based on Spotify's database.

[–] small44@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

I don't like using recommendation algorithms, I always discover music by human recommendations from blogs like bandcamp daily, warez websites and featuring artists

I don't I am stuck ekth the same albums send help

[–] vector@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

surprised nobody has posted soma.fm. they're a listener-supported, commercial-free internet-only radio station. i love their "fluid" channel

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[–] ErwinLottemann@feddit.de 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

i don't. i'm stuck with the music i listened to 20 years ago. 😐

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[–] asbestos@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Follow all of your favorite artists via an app named “MusicHarbor” or “Music Butler” (web app, so you can track new releases on any device). It literally changed my life and every Friday is like a holiday since most artists release their tracks then.

[–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Great topic. A lot of my discovery was through /r/listentothis, but I'm 100% off reddit now, so these recommendations are helpful.

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[–] Voltage808s@kerala.party 10 points 2 years ago

I use last.fm to track the songs i am listening to and ot gives spotify like recommendations and monthly statistics on what kind of music you listen to,top artist etc.

[–] comradegreetingcard@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago

Aside from what others have said, I look at what other bands the bands I already listen to tour or collaborate with.

[–] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Gnod

Type in 3 things you like, and you get suggestions that you yes/no as it tries to narrow down your vibe.

[–] HerbalGamer@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

the map function is pretty neat as well. Thanks!

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Recommendations are a must for me since I listen to genres which do not do well with western audiences in terms of organic recommendations.

If you want an automatic way to discover new music before you actually stumble upon the music itself, listenbrainz might be a decent FOSS alternative to last.fm. I would also use libre.fm on a personal server to check my own habits.

However, I also use YouTube music a lot, especially when I want to find something new. This does need one to be active on YT music with specific cookies set (in case you'd like to transfer listening history and habits across browsers/computers without signing in) to give you good recommendations. The good part is that it can likely show you good recommendations inside a few hours of you showing it what you like by playing your favourites.

For example, it was on YouTube music that I found Today is a beautiful day by Supercell and Et si tu n'existais pas by Hélène Ségara & Joe Dassin.

Cheers

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Listen to the internet stations that are local to you, and have actual programmers daily. Some of the bigger ones in the US are KCRW, KEXP, WFMU, and any college radio station. Places that have guest bands come through and play a bit so you can hear how it sounds outside of a studio are the best in my opinion.

[–] Madagarian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago

Got my KEXP bank card. Gotta rep the best.

[–] thelastknowngod@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

Not scrolling through all the comments to see if someone mentioned this yet or not but every December I check what is on the best albums of the year lists.. Generally I check per-genre that I'm into. Like best black metal of 2023, best jazz of 2023, etc etc..

Other than that, bandcamp and YouTube are the biggest. I honestly buy more on bandcamp these days than I torrent though. It's such a great site.

[–] clmbmb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago

I follow a few blogs/sites that review the music genres that I like. I also read and comment in the tracker's forums, where people suggest new music or discuss about new and old music. And I found that it's much better than getting suggestions on spotify/tidal.

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

BBC Radio 6 and ABC Triple J are two ad-free radio stations that play a lot of new music and are staffed by passionate and qualified DJs. A lot of my music discovery is from listening to those.

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[–] Nyarlathotep@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I was surprised to see only one other reference to Twitch. I have found Twitch to be AMAZING for new music discovery. MOST of the time when I listen to music, it is actually through Twitch. I have many good hosts saved and checking the who's on now page is the first thing I do when I want to turn on music. And when the apocalypse comes, I have a good library myself now...

There's a catch, of course. A lot of Twitch streamers are fucking irritating! It takes time to find channels that meet my needs...

  • Plays my kind of music (classic rock, 80s, industrial, darkwave, synthpop, electro, gothic rock, some dance genres like filth... to name a few). If anyone wants channel recommendations I am happy to list some.
  • Ideally, the video feed clearly shows the track ID (so I know what music to grab!)
  • The host isn't on mic all the time. It just kills me when I find someone playing good music with track IDs and they talk too much. The more of the video frame taken up by the DJ, and the bigger the mic, the greater the chance that they won't shut up, haha.

A good host will namedrop and raid hosts with similar taste, so once you find a couple that you like, your list of follows will expand quickly.

Here are a few more tips...

  • If you follow someone on Twitch, there is a separate toggle for receiving notifications when they go live. For 95% of the people I follow, notifications are OFF. A few are so good I want notifications.
  • "Alternative Player for Twitch" in the Chrome extensions is a cool alternate client that MUTES ADS. There are a few such extensions, this one has been the most reliable for me. However, for some reason it does not support taking you on a raid (that is when your channel ends and sends all the viewers to someone else).
  • There is a cool alternate client for Android TV called S0undTV.
  • Some Twitch hosts will put their shows on Mixcloud too, so check their details
  • Even if a host does not list the track IDs for what they are playing you may have success IDing music with something like Shazaam. On-screen ID is so convenient though.
  • Get to know a mass tagging tool like mp3tag, and you can RAPIDLY expand the size of your music library.
  • It seems impossible to tell Twitch to not suggest channels that you are not interested in. You can spend hours trying to kill off bad recommendations but it doesn't matter. For example I do not care about game streaming or people playing live music but I CANNOT get them out of my Recommended list. You just have to learn to ignore them.

[–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've basically never used Twitch. Are you saying there's something akin to independent radio on there? How are these streams structured?

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[–] splendoruranium 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I don't, at least I'm not making an active effort. Why would I? I already have enough music to generate playlists that could last for years. That's more than enough music.
Apart from that there's the usual cultural osmosis that can't be avoided. A song that is used in a movie, plays on a radio/car stereo or at an event somewhere and you like it. Bam, discovery!

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[–] tux0r@feddit.de 7 points 2 years ago

I read a lot of music-related blogs, review sites and a few selected magazines. No online "recommendation system" needed.

[–] Irkam@jlai.lu 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Mainly local radio broadcasts, sometimes thematic webradios such as Radio Metal. Recently I've been linking my music player to LastFM so we'll see how it performs.

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Spotify and YouTube to find music. Torrenting and buying to keep it forever.

[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Review sites for genres I like. I find a lot of new music on Angry Metal Guy. That one's just for metal, but there are all kinds of different review sites

[–] sodalite@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 years ago (5 children)

YouTube shuffle, Bandcamp feed, internet radio stations

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[–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It requires a lot of filtering, but I find Pitchfork.com reliably has something decent in their "best new ..." pages. Just don't actually read the reviews.

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Pitchfork reviews are always so funny to me. They're very clearly just writer's exercises to practice overflowery and pretentious descriptions.

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[–] Metafalls_@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago
[–] nhgeek@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

NPR New Music Friday is helpful a lot of the time

[–] Teon@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

I use Discogs to find music I've never heard of, and artists/bands that I have forgotten about. I choose an artist I love, and then just click on the genre link in their profile to see others in that same genre. You can also click on the links of other bands they were in. There is also a Recommendations carousel that appears at the bottom of the page.

[–] dosse91@lemmy.trippy.pizza 4 points 2 years ago

I like EDM and electronic music so I just leave the radio on with Tomorrowland One World Radio while I work. I also browse sites like beatport and look at their charts and if I find something I like I check out other people are buying, sometimes I pirate, sometimes I buy if I want to support a small label or a lesser known artist.

[–] pudcollar@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I pay a little to pirate. Basically I've figured out how to download a large percentage of lossless songs from playlists I find anywhere. I scrape playlists of radio stations i like. I import those CSVs into Soundiiz, which costs $4/mo. Youtube mixes I like, in they go the same way, imoporting tracklists. Using Soundiiz, I import those lists into qobuz and deezer, which I use to pull down lossless FLACs using deemix and qobuz-dl in linux. Qobuz and Deezer and other streaming services have curated playlists by staff and subscribers, I just download the whole lists. I replaced lists of my mp3s like youtube rips, with FLACs, the same way. Qobuz and Deezer have free trial memberships but TBH after the sheer amount I've pulled down from them, it's worth it to me. I've had to buy new hard drives because of this.

[–] CloverSi@lemmy.comfysnug.space 4 points 2 years ago

Personal recommendations, NPR Tiny Desk, movie and show soundtracks, Bandcamp, record stores, Library of Congress Homegrown Concerts on YouTube, looking into any bands you like and seeing what else the members have been in.

[–] Doll_Tow_Jet-ski@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

I get most of my recommendations via Diaspora and Mastodon (2 social networks that are part of the fediverse). They allow you to follow hashtags, so I just follow the hashtags of the music I'm interested and see people's posts that are tagged with them

[–] frogbellyratbone_@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

mostly from different subreddits i follow. others are record companies, and youtube channels like audiotree, kexp, tiny desk

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

I literally type "new music" into YouTube and see where it takes me.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Spider chart at the bottom of Orpheus’ web site!

It’s not as good as WCD’s was, but it’s getting there.

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[–] jack@monero.town 3 points 2 years ago

InnerTune on Android recommends music

[–] reboot6675@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I sometimes browse the KEXP live playlist to find new artists

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[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago

I used to listen to the radio and record songs on my feature phone (mono 16k 4bit samples/s).

Now !kulturgut@feddit.de and downloading using NewPipe (I don't care about quality).

[–] glibg10b@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

I use the ReVanced version of YouTube Music (no ads, high quality music). If I find a song that I like, I download it in FLAC format from one of the sites in the megathread

[–] backhdlp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 years ago

I usually get it from the YouTube algorithm, but I'll also check up on some labels every now and then and see what they got new. I also follow some individual artists.

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