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What's with the rangers ? (self.fallout)

submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by wizzim to c/fallout@lemmy.world

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When I played Fallout 3, there was a mission to help the rangers, with a special armor as reward. After finally playing New Vegas this year, I discovered the rangers are the elite troops of the NCR. Loosely related, in Wasteland 2 you also play a ranger.

Why are the rangers so present in post apocalyptic worlds now? Is this a cultural thing?

If I remember correctly, Fallout 1 and 2 didn't have any rangers.

On a side note, I think someone at Bethesda has a kink for rangers because they are also in Starfield 😁

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Fallout 2 did have NCR rangers, but they were only ever seen in random encounters.

Fallout 1 didn't even have the NCR yet. The NCR forms from Shady Sands; the first town most players see in the game. Specifically, the faction was started by Tandy, who in FO1 is a teenager you rescue from raiders. It did have Tycho, though; a Desert Ranger you can get as a companion.

Also Wasteland isn't just the inspiration for Fallout. Fargo wanted to make a sequel to Wasteland but no longer owned the rights to it, so they tweaked it into what we know and love.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Also Wasteland isn’t just the inspiration for Fallout. Fargo wanted to make a sequel to Wasteland but no longer owned the rights to it, so they tweaked it into what we know and love.

According to Tim Cain on his YouTube channel, not exactly. Cain was a fan of Wasteland which lead to some elements (mainly he liked the idea of morally ambiguous quests more than anything) being in Fallout, but Fallout wasn't developed as Off-Brand Wasteland. Some time in development, after Fallout had been pretty crystallized there was a discussion by the studio about getting the Wasteland rights and reworking Fallout into Wasteland 2. That ended up falling through. I believe Cain has mentioned being relieved because Fallout had turned into a unique creation, and it was already having to deal with one license for GURPS so having the Wasteland license would have doubled the amount of people looking over his shoulder.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Why are the rangers so present in post apocalyptic worlds now? Is this a cultural thing?

Fallout was inspired by Wasteland and took a bunch of elements from it (and that's why I've recommended the Wasteland series to people who want more isometric-style Fallout).

If I remember correctly, Fallout 1 and 2 didn’t have any rangers.

kagis

https://old.reddit.com/r/falloutlore/comments/j0vbrr/the_difference_between_rangers_and_1st_recon_i/

So, the initial Desert Rangers in Fallout existed in the form of a single companion in Fallout 1, Tycho, who was a Desert Ranger from Arizona. The devs confirmed this was a reference to Wasteland, the predecessor to Fallout which followed a group of Rangers keeping the peace in the post-apocalyptic deserts of Nevada and Arizona.

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Tycho

[–] wizzim 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So it all boils down to the first Wasteland. Thanks for the explanation!

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

As for the connection to Fallout 3, really it's just because Fallout 3 transported a lot of content from the first two games regardless of how tenuous the connection was.

In New Vegas, the Rangers obviously are a more natural fit to the game and as a continuation from the reference in the original. In FNV the Rangers were an independent group which has been absorbed by the NCR, though they still have a lot of autonomy. That's what that big statue at Interstate 15 is about.

I'm actually a little shocked there aren't (to my knowledge) any Roger's Rangers references in Fallout 4, given that the are Minutemen LARPing around.

[–] MxNichole@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

Wait the only rangers I can recall in fo3 where Railey's rangers. A mercenary company not affiliated to any of the west cost story as I recall. Verses the NCR rangers from fo2 & NV , as you said in 2 it was a random encounter whereas the new vegas rangers could be found as soon as Mojave outpost. And even more in the Easter boarder and Camp Golf.