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[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 1 points 33 minutes ago

tankie gonna say it was due to mismanagement or some shit like that

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

yeah, but that's different because this is BROWN PEOPLE, at least some of them. so it's completely different.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 51 minutes ago

Well, in the USSR it was Ukrainians. Every authoritarian system find its outgroups.

[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 1 points 31 minutes ago

The largest demographic group receiving SNAP benefits is white people, at 37%, so (tries to do math like a racist) 63% assorted brown people!

But what really sells it to the 37% of white people in mostly red states with poor public education are things like this article about some super genius trolling where the first 3 groups alone add up to like 124%. I expect that the 17% of people who do not report ethnic demographics are largely white in the first place, and have been gaslit for so long that they won't report out of fear of being some sort of "race traitor" or some other stupid racist BS thing that idiots do.

[–] rarsamx@lemmy.ca 52 points 17 hours ago (6 children)

The reason of the confusion is clear.

The US propaganda has always equated Communism and totalitarianism.

It is bonkers that people in the USA cannot distinguish between an economic system and a political system.

Those two are distinct things. True communism is very democratic. But reading the Communist manifesto is heretic in the US and you are left with what your leaders tell you.

The Russian Revolution was communist but the USSR was never communist.

Right wing totalitarian dictators also use starvation of their own people as means of control.

What you are experiencing in the US is totalitarianism and while it hasn't gotten to USSR levels, it is going on that direction.

Food for thought: study the political system in China, you'd be surprised how it's actually more democratic than the current USA. Yes, the CCP controls the nominations. Now, tell me if there is true plurality in the US, two right wing parties selecting their candidates without any real popular input.

Really you've been bamboozled to think there is real democracy in the US.

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The Russian Revolution was communist but the USSR was never communist

Hard disagree. Universal healthcare, free education to the highest level, lowest wealth and income inequality in the history of the region, guaranteed housing and abolition of homelessness and unemployment, life expectancy skyrocketing from a meager 28 years to 70 in the span of 40 years, abolition of private business, redistribution of land to peasants, and saving Europe from Fascism really seem like communist traits to me. There were defects and policy failures during some of the hardest times in history, don't get me wrong, but simply by achieving all of those wonderful goals without ever having colonies or engaging in imperialism, that's very communist to me.

What you are experiencing in the US is totalitarianism and while it hasn't gotten to USSR levels, it is going on that direction

The US has had, for decades, the highest prison population in the world, both in absolute and relative terms. In absolute terms, the US has nearly as many prisoners as the USSR did during WW2, the historic highest for obvious reasons (25 million Soviet citizens were killed by Nazism). You have literal fascist police disappearing people based on the colour of the skin, and the US has literally bombed black people for their ideology in US soil.

You're damn high in American exceptionalism and anticommunist propaganda.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 41 minutes ago (1 children)

without ever having colonies or engaging in imperialism

That's only because the USSR lobbied hard in the UN so that colonialism is defined as having overseas colonies. The "near abroad" is/was a colonial empire.

The USSR was definitely imperialistic, see Hungary 1956, where it crushed a revolution which was not against communism, the revolutionaries were in fact communists, they just wanted to be free of Soviet occupation.

Not debating the accomplishments of the USSR though, it was definitely and improvement on the Russian Empire.

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 1 points 28 minutes ago* (last edited 23 minutes ago)

The "near abroad" is/was a colonial empire

The USSR was definitely imperialistic, see Hungary

You're spitting in the graves of the tens of millions of murdered by colonialism by comparing it to intervention in Hungary. Colonialism isn't "maintaining an aligned bloc", colonialism is the plunder, enslavement and murder of millions in the name of wealth and resource extraction. Go tell the tens of millions of enslaved Africans, of murdered Congolese and Native Americans and Palestinians how what happened in Hungary was colonialism. Disturbing the definitions of western colonialism in order to dunk on communism is honestly a disgusting attitude that trivializes the suffering of the millions upon millions of wretched of the Earth.

Find me anywhere where the USSR did 1% of the horrifying shit that the Brits did in India.

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 3 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

True communism is very democratic

Literately Marx himself called for a “dictatorship of the proletariat”. Which would then somehow magically give way to a true democratic government, as if any dictator on earth had ever just resigned out of their own accord.

[–] lunaluster@lemmy.world 1 points 49 minutes ago

If you are familiar with the Paris Commune of 1871, you'd know what was meant by that term, according to Engels.

It is not a call to install 'a' dictator to usher in a new socialist world. It is the act of overthrowing the 'dictatorship of capital.' The character of the people should be radically democratic, and aim to put all social institutions in the collective hands of everyone who is affected by them. The only magic going on here is the mystification of what has been plainly laid out over the past two centuries, and attempted by numerous cultures across the globe, with varying degrees of success, in no small part due to people who knew what it means to take power away from self-interested tyrants.

[–] TheKingBombOmbKiller@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 hours ago (2 children)
[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 39 minutes ago

I mean in the current dictatorships, where it's a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie by Marxist terms, it is usually one dictator and the setup is fairly hierarchical.

Why is it called a dictatorship then?

[–] atmorous@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

The people specifically the working class

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

True communism is very democratic.

At some point, you have to get passed "true whatever" and accept certain institutions already exist.

Also helps to recognize that communism as a movement has been anti-colonialist first and democratic only as it serves the former cause. Communists aren't receptive to a liberal democracy that allows half the people to sell out the other half.

Folks love to get lost in the sauce talking about what Marxism really truly means, as an ideology, without asking why people adopt it or how they apply it in practice.

[–] bobzer@lemmy.zip 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

that allows half the people to sell out the other half.

Do you actually think that's worse than the elite deciding who is going to starve and who's going to be disappeared to maintain their power?

Why bother pretending to return the means of production to the worker only to rob them of their voice?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Do you actually think that’s worse than the elite deciding who is going to starve and who’s going to be disappeared to maintain their power?

I think that's how it is accomplished. Divide and conquer.

Why bother pretending to return the means of production to the worker only to rob them of their voice?

Why do you believe elections are a voice of the people when they do routinely reproduce the plutocracy people say they despise?

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 19 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (4 children)

The Russian Revolution was communist but the USSR was never communist.

Yes. But what does that mean? If I have a recipe for potion of immortality, but anyone that drinks the resulting potion dies instead, it's a bad recipe. It doesn't matter its promise of immortality sounds good.

Communism makes good promises. However, every time you have a communist revolution, it ends up being authoritarian instead. What does that say about the communist political system?

[–] save_the_humans@leminal.space 13 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (15 children)

More like every time there's been democratically elected socialists or communists, western powers intervene with staged coups, assassinations, or embargos.

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[–] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Ill be the patsy: You can't make rules to eliminate human greed / lust for power?

I'm very simplistic with this stuff and haven't studied it, but that seems to be the fundamental limitation with communism. Would work great with robots but we're more 'complex' with our subconscious bias, unexamined motives and insecurities driving our actions.

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[–] BaldManGoomba@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

Every time a capitalist system is implemented the oligarchy grows and seizes power and some corrupt oligarchs usurp the power of the people. What does that say about capitalism? I think your generalized question is terribly bad faithed when every can point out the US system and straight capitalism is a failure also. Rather then generalized ideas and theory we look at all the systems and see what does work and how we can keep the power in the hands of people

I think the issue is corruption, power, and control. To have a capitalist society you must allow businesses do what they want or they will seize power. In a communist society power is centralized when it is focused on the state as a communistic in which power and control when questioned or control loosened gets cracked down.

Democratic Republicans are great but there is a few problems when they move so slow. One, what if the charter is never fixed when we add more rights. We just tack it on as precedent and never amend the charter.

Second,if the population is growing is it still representing people properly. I think having a representative for every 1 million people is to huge. And the fact we have disparities as large as 1 to million but then some have as low as 1 in 250k. Is unequal.

Third. I don't think as long as businesses hold power over an individuals life businesses should have political power. They hold to much currently. Also the fact through a business they can unlimitedly donate money but i as an individual can only spend $2,500(somewhere around there is the campaign cap)on a candidate is insane power wise.

Fourth a mixed economic/ business system would be wonderful a more planned economy by what citizens need would be nice. Also economy and business shouldn't be running the country. The individual people should.

Fifth States are stupid unless they can leave. The lines/borders are arbitrarily stupid and the fact the power federal is based on the lines fucks us up. If so chooses states should be able to break apart and make local states of the people so it is easier to have democratic control over your local area. Yes this means almost every state would become major cities and then the rural areas. Unless they want to partner with a city.

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[–] JanMayen@quokk.au 62 points 22 hours ago (20 children)

You don't see any state run bread lines do you?

That's because they'd rather you starve, but the mafia has soup lines waiting for you.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 19 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

You don’t see any state run bread lines do you?

I remember getting extremely screamed at on Reddit when I posted "Bread Lines" and the picture of a line around the block at a grocery store on the eve of a hurricane.

Apparently, that's not a "real" bread line because idfk free markets or some shit.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

As a note, communism involves some ideas that are impossible or nearly so.

Imagine a society in which every person has exactly the same sociopolitical power as every other person; representatives and officials do not have additional power; that's a property of a truly communist society. We don't believe that can be done IRL.

Imagine a society in which everyone's needs are met for an extreme body of needs (say as defined by the UN Universal Declaration of Human RIghts). The only transients that exist either are in a short line to be issued a dwelling, or don't want one. Everyone is fed. Everyone has their own stuff. This isn't impossible, but is difficult as heck to reach.

Communism is a goal that a society tries to reach similar to a zero homicide rate We don't expect to get there, but we do want our society to ever get closer, as we discover new means to approach that limit.

We reach for the ideal of a communist society. We never expect to actually get there.

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 1 points 58 minutes ago

Imagine a society in which every person has exactly the same sociopolitical power as every other person; representatives and officials do not have additional power; that's a property of a truly communist society.

Aren't you sort of describing democracy, and not socialism? I'm a Communist myself and I've never heard anyone claim that every person will have the exact same sociopolitical power, reading Marx or Lenin I've never encountered anything as such. Obviously people more engaged with politics should have more political power, in the sense that contributing to politics is both a privilege and a responsibility. Organizers of a local worker council will obviously have more political power than people who choose not to participate on that.

Imagine a society in which everyone's needs are met for an extreme body of needs (say as defined by the UN Universal Declaration of Human RIghts). The only transients that exist either are in a short line to be issued a dwelling, or don't want one. Everyone is fed. Everyone has their own stuff. This isn't impossible, but is difficult as heck to reach.

It's not impossible, or even difficult to reach. 1970s USSR literally had all of this. Access to a job, to housing, to universal healthcare, to free education to the highest level, to quality urban planning and public transit, to affordable basic foodstuffs and clothes, and very cheap energy, were all available. Again, I'm talking about 1970s technology and progress in a self-sufficient country isolated from world markets, without engaging in colonialism and extraction of resources from the global south, in a country that 40 years prior had been a feudal backwater in which 80% of the population were peasants, most of them not owning any land and being essentially serfs to landlords. Cuba, today, manages to get most of this, despite being in the most comprehensive economic embargo in history. It's not remotely hard to achieve this, the main obstacle to this is western imperialism doing everything in its hand to destroy any attempt, from regime destabilization, to outright threat of nuclear war, including bombing of your country to the ground (Vietnam, Korea) or support of fascists (Chile).

As for people having their own stuff:

I wonder if there's anything in common in those countries...

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