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[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 hours ago

yeah, but that's different because this is BROWN PEOPLE, at least some of them. so it's completely different.

[–] rarsamx@lemmy.ca 46 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

The reason of the confusion is clear.

The US propaganda has always equated Communism and totalitarianism.

It is bonkers that people in the USA cannot distinguish between an economic system and a political system.

Those two are distinct things. True communism is very democratic. But reading the Communist manifesto is heretic in the US and you are left with what your leaders tell you.

The Russian Revolution was communist but the USSR was never communist.

Right wing totalitarian dictators also use starvation of their own people as means of control.

What you are experiencing in the US is totalitarianism and while it hasn't gotten to USSR levels, it is going on that direction.

Food for thought: study the political system in China, you'd be surprised how it's actually more democratic than the current USA. Yes, the CCP controls the nominations. Now, tell me if there is true plurality in the US, two right wing parties selecting their candidates without any real popular input.

Really you've been bamboozled to think there is real democracy in the US.

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

True communism is very democratic

Literately Marx himself called for a “dictatorship of the proletariat”. Which would then somehow magically give way to a true democratic government, as if any dictator on earth had ever just resigned out of their own accord.

Who is the proletariat?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

True communism is very democratic.

At some point, you have to get passed "true whatever" and accept certain institutions already exist.

Also helps to recognize that communism as a movement has been anti-colonialist first and democratic only as it serves the former cause. Communists aren't receptive to a liberal democracy that allows half the people to sell out the other half.

Folks love to get lost in the sauce talking about what Marxism really truly means, as an ideology, without asking why people adopt it or how they apply it in practice.

[–] bobzer@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

that allows half the people to sell out the other half.

Do you actually think that's worse than the elite deciding who is going to starve and who's going to be disappeared to maintain their power?

Why bother pretending to return the means of production to the worker only to rob them of their voice?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Do you actually think that’s worse than the elite deciding who is going to starve and who’s going to be disappeared to maintain their power?

I think that's how it is accomplished. Divide and conquer.

Why bother pretending to return the means of production to the worker only to rob them of their voice?

Why do you believe elections are a voice of the people when they do routinely reproduce the plutocracy people say they despise?

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 16 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (4 children)

The Russian Revolution was communist but the USSR was never communist.

Yes. But what does that mean? If I have a recipe for potion of immortality, but anyone that drinks the resulting potion dies instead, it's a bad recipe. It doesn't matter its promise of immortality sounds good.

Communism makes good promises. However, every time you have a communist revolution, it ends up being authoritarian instead. What does that say about the communist political system?

[–] save_the_humans@leminal.space 12 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (9 children)

More like every time there's been democratically elected socialists or communists, western powers intervene with staged coups, assassinations, or embargos.

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[–] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Ill be the patsy: You can't make rules to eliminate human greed / lust for power?

I'm very simplistic with this stuff and haven't studied it, but that seems to be the fundamental limitation with communism. Would work great with robots but we're more 'complex' with our subconscious bias, unexamined motives and insecurities driving our actions.

[–] I_Jedi@lemmy.today 2 points 12 hours ago

I read a Chinese visual novel where society actual DID manage to eradicate humanity's greed/lust for power.

The biggest issue with the depicted society is that people live out their lives in ways deemed safe by the state. No one who lives in the society sees any problem with this, since their needs are cared for, and they're allowed to freely pursue interests the state considers safe. The society determined that any culture that existed before their rise to power has to be destroyed or locked up - introduction of such items can have a majorly destabilizing effect, and bring greed/lust for power back.

[–] BaldManGoomba@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

Every time a capitalist system is implemented the oligarchy grows and seizes power and some corrupt oligarchs usurp the power of the people. What does that say about capitalism? I think your generalized question is terribly bad faithed when every can point out the US system and straight capitalism is a failure also. Rather then generalized ideas and theory we look at all the systems and see what does work and how we can keep the power in the hands of people

I think the issue is corruption, power, and control. To have a capitalist society you must allow businesses do what they want or they will seize power. In a communist society power is centralized when it is focused on the state as a communistic in which power and control when questioned or control loosened gets cracked down.

Democratic Republicans are great but there is a few problems when they move so slow. One, what if the charter is never fixed when we add more rights. We just tack it on as precedent and never amend the charter.

Second,if the population is growing is it still representing people properly. I think having a representative for every 1 million people is to huge. And the fact we have disparities as large as 1 to million but then some have as low as 1 in 250k. Is unequal.

Third. I don't think as long as businesses hold power over an individuals life businesses should have political power. They hold to much currently. Also the fact through a business they can unlimitedly donate money but i as an individual can only spend $2,500(somewhere around there is the campaign cap)on a candidate is insane power wise.

Fourth a mixed economic/ business system would be wonderful a more planned economy by what citizens need would be nice. Also economy and business shouldn't be running the country. The individual people should.

Fifth States are stupid unless they can leave. The lines/borders are arbitrarily stupid and the fact the power federal is based on the lines fucks us up. If so chooses states should be able to break apart and make local states of the people so it is easier to have democratic control over your local area. Yes this means almost every state would become major cities and then the rural areas. Unless they want to partner with a city.

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Call me naive if you want but I think we might want to aim for slightly more than another flavor of illusory democracy.

Although I have to say that the primary selection process in the US, while deeply flawed, is far more open for insurgent candidates than the Chinese system. See Mamdani for a recent example of how democratic elites don’t have total control of the outcomes.

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[–] JanMayen@quokk.au 60 points 21 hours ago (20 children)

You don't see any state run bread lines do you?

That's because they'd rather you starve, but the mafia has soup lines waiting for you.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 17 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

You don’t see any state run bread lines do you?

I remember getting extremely screamed at on Reddit when I posted "Bread Lines" and the picture of a line around the block at a grocery store on the eve of a hurricane.

Apparently, that's not a "real" bread line because idfk free markets or some shit.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 15 hours ago

As a note, communism involves some ideas that are impossible or nearly so.

Imagine a society in which every person has exactly the same sociopolitical power as every other person; representatives and officials do not have additional power; that's a property of a truly communist society. We don't believe that can be done IRL.

Imagine a society in which everyone's needs are met for an extreme body of needs (say as defined by the UN Universal Declaration of Human RIghts). The only transients that exist either are in a short line to be issued a dwelling, or don't want one. Everyone is fed. Everyone has their own stuff. This isn't impossible, but is difficult as heck to reach.

Communism is a goal that a society tries to reach similar to a zero homicide rate We don't expect to get there, but we do want our society to ever get closer, as we discover new means to approach that limit.

We reach for the ideal of a communist society. We never expect to actually get there.

[–] eru@mouse.chitanda.moe 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 12 points 17 hours ago (15 children)

To be fair, a lot of communist revolution did result in mass starvation.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 12 points 18 hours ago

In my country, one evil of communism I always heard was "not being able to buy Adidas shoes and Levis jeans". But if capitalism makes it a de facto luxury product through devaluing your work, then it's tough luck.

[–] Pudutr0n@feddit.cl 18 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

You know, some people get really worked up about how some sodas are really good and others are horrible. Healthwise they're all really just sugar water with some flavor and color sprinkled on top.

The flavoring and coloring are the least nutritionally relevant parts of the beverages and yet are what everyone obsesses over when discussing which of them is best.

The flavor doesn't change the nature of all the sugar, despite how different they feel to the palate.

A very costly lesson many maya people and other enemies of the aztec empire learnt after the spanish came to the americas was that the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.

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[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 25 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

At this point, this joke is basically like kicking a dead horse.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 19 points 20 hours ago

Keep going an let's make MAGA glue

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[–] fakir@piefed.social 15 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

A greedy sociopathic leader with lack of empathy will always cause starvation, be it capitalism or communism or any other system anywhere. Shitty kings, dictators, and colonialists have always caused this since the beginning of time. It ain't about the system.

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[–] moakley@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

Two things can be true.

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