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[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 22 points 13 hours ago

Whenever a few Europeans from different countries come together, there's a joke that inevitably gets told:

Someone who speaks many languages is multilingual. Someone who speaks two languages is bilingual. Someone who speaks one language is English.

[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Fake news. Everyone in France speaks English when English speakers aren't around. They only speak French out of spite.

[–] BurningRiver@beehaw.org 16 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Everyone in France speaks English the moment an English speaker tries to speak French.

My French sucks. I would intentionally butcher French just so they’d roll their eyes and start speaking English.

That checks out for Quebec as well.

[–] gcheliotis@lemmy.world 15 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I look at this and I think you know, not everything needs to be a bar chart… this is different, it’s creative, but then again, it would be better as a bar chart.

[–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 57 seconds ago
[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 14 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Where does the UK and Eire come on this?

[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago

It was skewed off the bottom of the scale by scouse.

Yeah the obvious joke is "United Kingdom: DNF"

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Mid proficiency - the countries wanting to learn anything but Russian. Top proficiency - the countries with excellent education systems.

[–] Alvarsson@feddit.nu 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

As someone from one of these top proficiency countries, Sweden, it's not just the educational system. Learning english in school will only get you so far. You need to be exposed to english much more than that to become proficient. I was lucky enough to be incredibly exposed to english due to having an aunt that lived there, however.

I remember being on vacation in Germany as a kid. On the boat to Germany, there was a TV and no one around, I was bored, Terminator was on, cool. Except... They spoke german. I flip the channels, find the Simpsons, and they speak, german. After we had gotten through Germany and made it to France, I once again saw something on a TV somewhere, and they spoke French, though I could see the lips didn't quite match what was said. I realised it was dubbed to French.

And that's when I understood how I, as a 12 year old kid, could speak english better than most german and french adults.

These days are different I'm sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if there are some traces remaining.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 1 points 12 hours ago

I think TV is still completely dubbed in Germany, but who watches TV these days anyway.

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Wow, France being lower than everyone else but Turkey is wild.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It feels like they tanked the test out of spite. I'm curious about the methodology of the study, but France has far too much tourism to believe this without seeing the underlying data.

[–] Waldelfe@feddit.org 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I mean have you ever been a tourist in France? I went to Paris last year and I would have been lost without google translate. The french expect even the tourists to just learn their language.

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

It’s kinda sick that they label everything in French to make it easy to learn the language. I visit France and Nederland as often as I can, and to be fair, even the Dutch don’t label everything in English; the people just speak it super well.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 11 points 19 hours ago

We need a BadDataViz community...

[–] bricklove@midwest.social 3 points 15 hours ago

This makes sense. I've never studied Dutch but whenever I see it I somehow know what it says.

[–] chonomaiwokurae@sopuli.xyz 13 points 22 hours ago (8 children)

It’s hard to believe Germany is so high on the list. I visit regularly and even worked there for a while, where are all the fluent English speakers hiding?

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 15 points 20 hours ago

The EF English Proficiency Index (EF EPI) attempts to rank countries by the equity of English language skills amongst those adults who took the EF test. It is the product of EF Education First, an international education company, and draws its conclusions from data collected via English tests available for free over the internet. The index is an online survey first published in 2011based on test data from 1.7 million test takers. The most recent edition was released in November 2023.

Wikipedia.org

So the data is not representative for the entire population of a country.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 8 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Currently in university or so, and there is a large countryside vs. city gap.

In my experience there has been a relatively recent massive improvement in English skills by the younger generation. Anyone 35+ is still very much behind though. As an elder Millenial myself, it actually caught me on a wrong foot carreerwise as being able to speak English well is no longer considered to be a selection criteria for many jobs, because so many can do it and it is assume a given.

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[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 8 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

I don't know what study these numbers are based on, but many of them only assess certain (typically younger) age groups. In my experience, the people coming out of school today in Germany are often quite good in English.

Edit: Looked it up. The data are not based on any study but the results of test takers that aim to earn a certain language certificate. So no specific age group but still likely younger people. The sample is completely self-selected, though, so it's hard to say anything definitive. From the Wikipedia page:

The EF EPI 2024 edition was calculated using test data from 2.1 million test takers in 2023. The test takers were self-selected. 116 countries and territories appear in this edition of the index. In order to be included, a country was required to have at least 400 test takers.

And more:

The EF English Proficiency Index has been the subject of criticism in literature. From the point of view of methodology, it suffers from self-selection bias. Instead of testing the level of English proficiency in the population, it tests the level of English of those who self-select.

This seems like a very poor basis for a country ranking.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Where in Germany? This coulf be a latent East/West divide.

[–] chonomaiwokurae@sopuli.xyz 2 points 16 hours ago

Ruhrpott and DΓΌsseldorf.

[–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago

Same with Austria. As a Dane living in Austria, it feels like nobody here has even half-decent English skills. It's horrible, and I blame generations of dubbed TV and movies.

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[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Was curious how Belgium would score by language region.

Seems the Flemish part scores higher than The Netherlands while Wallonia drags everything down.

[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 18 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

French speakers being French speakers. Case in point: France scores lower than fucking Russia

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 14 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

This explains why French people are always speaking French in game chat in Rocket League as if French is the Lingua Franca lmfao so silly.

Every time they utilize the chat it's also to be unprovokedly toxic which is another mystery. Maybe they're just that unhappy? Something bad in the water?

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 16 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 5 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

French used to be the lingua franca of diplomacy for hundreds of years, actually. It was replaced by English only fairly recently.

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[–] Fortatech@gregtech.eu 11 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 89 points 1 day ago (24 children)

Just for fun I wonder where England and the USA would be on this list...

[–] VaalaVasaVarde@sopuli.xyz 8 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I find that broken English is easier to understand, compared to the time I talked to a Londoner in the bus, I could understand him but my travel buddy had no idea.

Accents can be rough on tourists.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 9 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It's known that two non-native English speakers can understand each other more easily than a non-native speaker and a native speaker. The non-native speakers are better at deciphering incorrect use of the language than the native speaker who has stricter expectations.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (3 children)

I wonder what the numbers look like between English first language 'with no second language experience' versus 'some or fluent post-childhood learning second language experience'. Because there are a lot of English only speakers.

I've been told im awful to practice English with because i just understand. But i have teen/adult learning experience with two other languages.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 23 hours ago

I am fully expecting England to not be at the top. Especially if written skills are measured.

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[–] GeorgimusPrime@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

They must have happiness in their households.

[–] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The huge gap between Portugal and Spain is surprising to me. I would have thought they'd be near identical in terms of English proficiency.

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[–] whimsy@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What is the point of depicting data in this manner? The spatial coordinates have no meaning

[–] Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 38 points 23 hours ago

The countries are ordered on the bend line according to their rank, so the 1-dimensional spatial coordinate system describing this line does have meaning.

This somwhat unusual representation has the advantage that they managed to represent all datapoints with a well readable font on a graphic that fits well even on a phone's screen, and it's sort of eye-catching.

It's pretty unintuitive, though. I had to actually read and analyse it rather than just view it.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago

Seems made for mobile.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 19 points 1 day ago

Missed the chance to reverse the color scale and have orange for the Netherlands.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_III_of_England

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