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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 11 points 1 day ago

It's your funeral

[–] termaxima@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 day ago

Be prepared for Square Enix games to fail even EA's QA standards in the near future πŸ˜…

[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

A lot of hate in the comments but IMO this is one of the few things that LLMs are actually really good for. It's a shit job nobody wants to do that LLMs are really good at. Notice that they said 70% and not 100%. Yeah that means they're probably going to have 30 people doing the work that 100 people used to do but people are still in the picture overseeing things. Automation isn't, by itself, bad. The bad part is that our whole society is built on the idea that your entire value as a person is based on being able to work and make money and job loss is way worse than it should be.

[–] kaiyo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

So their games will cost 70% less right?

70% by what metric?

Is that going by bugs identified, fixes implemented, headcount?

[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Remember when square used to make great games?

[–] Ashiette@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That was Squaresoft, not Square Enix.

[–] nik9000@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago

I loved Enix's Ogre Battle and Square's Final Fantasy 6 and 7. How could putting the companies together make a bad?!

[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

My memory failed me. Thanks for the correction.

[–] razzazzika@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So... im a big supporter of squeenix, buy everything they make... but this tells me the quality of their games is going to go down the toilet. Knowing AI it'll come up with fake lists of bugs that didn't happen and all the real bugs will not be listed and they'll release the buggies shit. One thing I LIKE about square, being one of the few companies I do pre-orders from still, is that their products are fairly bug free on launch FFXVI had some graphics optimization issues, but I've been happy with most of what I got the past few years.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

FFXIV saved them and they don't ever put any money back into the game. It's their cash cow that pays for all their other bad ideas.

Great graphics and legacy. But some crappy ideas about what the players want.

Look at their payment systems for subs. It's so confusing for no damn reason.

[–] razzazzika@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Believe it or not FFXI was even MORE confusing to sub

Moment for silence for David "Ribs" Carillo πŸͺ¦

[–] bblkargonaut@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Chrono Trigger remake, first all AI development, because we live in the bad timeline.

[–] webp@mander.xyz 11 points 1 day ago

Their games going to be shit 🀣

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago

it's a bit late in the game to be making idiotic claims but I guess the default state for corpos is being out of touch

[–] crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

I will continue ignoring anything they make

[–] LostWanderer@fedia.io 194 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Ew, sounds like a great reason to not buy any Square Enix games...

[–] Brutticus@midwest.social 133 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not even from an ethically standpoint. Color me shocked if these games are like, playable

[–] LostWanderer@fedia.io 43 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Exactly, as I don't expect QA done by something that can't think or feel to know what actually needs to be fixed. AI is a hallucination engine that just agrees rather than points out issues, in some cases it might call attention to non-issues and let critical bugs slip by. The ethical issues are still significant and play into the reason why I would refuse to buy any more Square Enix games going forward. I don't trust them to walk this back, they are high on the AI lie. Human made games with humans handling the QA are the only games that I want.

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

AI is a hallucination engine

Whiplashed by one of the works by great bassist and producer Bill Laswell being inadvertently mentioned in discussion of AI.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (8 children)

I would initially tap the breaks on this, if for no other reason than "AI doing Q&A" reads more like corporate buzzwords than material policy. Big software developers should already have much of their Q&A automated, at least at the base layer. Further automating Q&A is generally a better business practice, as it helps catch more bugs in the Dev/Test cycle sooner.

Then consider that Q&A work by end users is historically a miserable and soul-sucking job. Converting those roles to debuggers and active devs does a lot for both the business and the workforce. When compared to "AI is doing the art" this is night-and-day, the very definition of the "Getting rid of the jobs people hate so they can do the work they love" that AI was supposed to deliver.

Finally, I'm forced to drag out the old "95% of AI implementations fail" statistic. Far more worried that they're going to implement a model that costs a fortune and delivers mediocre results than that they'll implement an AI driven round of end-user testing.

Turning Q&A over to the Roomba AI to find corners of the setting that snag the user would be Gud Aktuly.

[–] natecox@programming.dev 21 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Converting those roles to debuggers and active devs does a lot for both the business and the workforce.

Hahahahaha… on wait you’re serious. Let me laugh even harder.

They’re just gonna lay them off.

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[–] DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

Well their goes FFXIV, that will be their end

[–] Bakkoda@lemmy.zip 25 points 2 days ago

Realistic goal considering they already do so little QA.

[–] VeryInterestingTable@jlai.lu 46 points 2 days ago (1 children)

QA annnnd Debugging?

LLMs have a much better chance at succesfuly replacing whoever said that.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

the LLMs can barely make fucking working code, let alone test it

[–] other_cat@piefed.zip 17 points 2 days ago

Was gonna make a post with this article but this is related so I'll drop it here instead.

"Square Enix is laying off more developers in the UK and US as it refocuses on Japan The publisher has expressed interest in replacing development roles with AI"

https://www.engadget.com/gaming/square-enix-is-laying-off-more-developers-in-the-uk-and-us-as-it-refocuses-on-japan-201907305.html

[–] MrNesser@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

Not buying their next game it will be a nightmare

[–] ghost9@lemmy.world 83 points 3 days ago (2 children)

That's a stupid idea. You're not supposed to QA or debug games. You just release it, customers report bugs, and then you promise to fix the bugs in the next patch (but don't).

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 5 points 2 days ago

Or do the Bethesda thing and let people playtest their slop and fix it for free.

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[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 51 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So Square Enix is demanding OpenAI stop using their content, but is 100% okay using AI built off stolen content to make more money themselves

As a developer, it bothers me that my code is being used to train AI that Square Enix is using while trying to deny anyone else the ability to use their work

I could go either way on whether or not AI should be able to train on available data, but no one should get to have it both ways

πŸ™‡β€β™€οΈπŸ™‡β€β™€οΈπŸ™‡β€β™€οΈπŸ™‡β€β™€οΈ I came to this 🧡 to make this exact ridicule.
Capitalists really showing their true colors when it comes to self-indulgence.

[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 39 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well, good luck with that. Software development is a shit show already anyway. You can find me in my Gardening business in 2027.

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Good Luck. When the economy finally bottoms out the first budget to go is always the gardening budget.

You can find me in my plumbing business in 2028.

I deal with shit daily so it's what we in biz call a horizontal promotion.

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[–] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 53 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Literally not how any of this works. You don't let AI check your work, at best you use AI and check it's work, and at worst you have to do everything by hand anyway.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You don’t let AI check your work

From a game dev perspective, user ~~Q&A~~ QA is often annoying and repetitive labor. Endlessly criss-crossing terran hitting different buttons to make sure you don't snag a corner or click objects in a sequence that triggers a state freeze. Hooking a PS controller to Roomba logic and having a digital tool rapidly rerun routes and explore button combos over and over, looking for failed states, is significantly better for you than hoping an overworked team of dummy players can recreate the failed state by tripping into it manually.

[–] subignition@fedia.io 15 points 3 days ago (5 children)

There's plenty of room for sophisticated automation without any need to involve AI.

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[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago
[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A year from now they'll be wondering why their games are so buggy.

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[–] Mikina@programming.dev 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Square Enix actually has a pretty sick automated QA already. There's a cool talk about how they did that for FFVII remake in GDC vault, and I highly recommend watching it, if you're at all interested in QA.

It has nothing to do with AI, it's just plain old automation, but they solve most of the issues you get with making automated tests in non-discrete 3D playspace and they do that in a pretty solid way. It's definitely something I'd love to have implemented in the games I'm working on, as someone who worked in QA and now works in development. Being able to have mostly reliable way how to smoke-test levels for basic gameplay without having to torture QA to run the test-case again is good, and allows QA to focus on something else - but the tools also need oversight, so it's not really a job lost. In summary - I think the talk is cool tech and worth the watch.

However, I don't think AI will help in this regard, and something as unreliable and random as AI models are not a good fit for this job. You want to have deterministic testcases that you can quanitfy, and if something doesn't match have an actual human to look at why. AI also probably won't be able to find clever corner-cases and bugs that need human ingenuity.

Fuck AI, I kind of hope this is just a marketing talk and they are actually just improving the (deterministic) tools they already have (which actually are AI by definition, since they also do level exploration on top of recorded inputs), and they are calling it an "AI" to satisfy investors/management without actually slapping a glorified chat-bot into the tech for no reason.

[–] Flickerby@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And I thought I had no more disappointment left to allocate

It's just that you've reached your free quota, further disappointments will be charged 0.0937 emotional stability per hour

[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I hope they put out the last FF VII remake part before that, so i can finally start playing them all! I don't care what they want to waste their money on afterwards lol

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[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago

So.. no more SE games for me. Not a huge loss to be honest.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Lol. Good luck!

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