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I want to say this loud and clear in a post here for everyone to see, but there is an issue here with people having this giant hate boner for Albertans. Not the government, not UCP voters, but Albertans.

It doesn't matter if you're politically on the same side as people elsewhere in the country, it doesn't matter if you present facts to people who are provably wrong on the most basic of things they say, it doesn't matter if you treat them with dignity and respect by mentioning things with good intentions and not insulting people. You will still get labelled as the bad guy for the very fact you're Albertan.

I made a response to a comment on this post in the community. My comment was responding to someone who called Albertans "HUGE pussies" for "giving up our rights".

In my response to said comment, I basically said that the notion that we're "simply giving up" is completely false, using the following facts:

  1. Students have been staging walkouts:
  1. The AFL (Alberta Federation of Labour) has stated that they will retaliate against the back to work order with a "general strike if necessary"
  1. The UCP has faced a dip in the polls resulting from the back-to-work order

I went ahead and said that statements like this that blanket Albertans as lazy, dumb, and inept do not help relations between the province and the rest of the country, especially when the actions being taken showcase the exact opposite.

For this, I was labelled as a conservative myself when I'm registered with the NDP provincially and federally, had myself and those around me insulted, and was told I was uneducated by someone who spewed blatantly incorrect information as they did so, and I was the one looked down upon in the entire interaction simply for where I'm from.

I suggested that in order for the NDP or Liberals, or anybody to win over Albertans, they need to address issues here. I gave the example of canola farmers suffering, and how the feds can tariff imported cooking oils to encourage consumers to choose a domestic alternative and/or have marketing campaigns to support canola farmers by increasing their domestic sales.

For this, someone insinuated that I am dumber than them simply based on what they assumed to be the school system I attended. The very same person who said this confidently made another comment where they claimed that the NDP was in charge for a "long time" before Peter Lougheed, and that Lougheed ran on diversifying the economy, and ditched the effort afterwards.

This is provably false. The NDP formed government for the first time in 2015, it was the Social Credit Party who came before Lougheed's Progressive Conservatives. Lougheed also established the Heritage Fund , which was made specifically to save money for investments in other sectors of Alberta's economy, the disaster of the fund came with the following leaders.

However, calling someone out for getting their facts wrong, and showcasing a current example of tariffs working to protect domestic goods gets you downvoted if you're Albertan, with the very people insulting your intelligence getting upvoted as they spew their nonsense.

Apparently explaining working-class issues and what left-wing parties can do to better reach those who normally vote Conservative is treating Alberta as "special" and forcing "everyone else to adapt" to us. Clearly the "majority" of people in Alberta are "hateful morons" and "insular xenophobes" .

Why do people continue to blanket me with the thoughts of a few bad apples they met? Are they more prominent here, sure, whatever, I can agree to that. I can agree that people here can be some of the worst you've met, I would know, I live here.

But me and the good, well-meaning people I know, especially those here who are marginalised or among the over 750,000 people who voted for the NDP the last election, do not appreciate having blanket statements made against us simply because we live here. I am pro-abortion, I am pro-immigration, I am pro-expanding healthcare, pro-creating public alternatives, pro-trans rights, anti-privatisation, anti-separatist, and yet sure, I'm a Conservative tip-toeing a line because my thoughts slightly deviate from the norm.

Hate the government, hate the jerks, do not hate me simply for where I'm born and the fact that I live here. I do not do this to you, I do not insult people for where they live or were born, and don't make blanket assumptions about the entire population of an area based on who's in power where they live. Why then is it seen as acceptable for this to happen to me?

I am an Albertan who doesn't want special treatment, but for fuck sake, it is reasonable to want to be treated with respect.

Edit: I don't know why the numbered lists are showing all as 1's, I have them properly numbered in the text of this post.

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[–] Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

The AB gov't effectively just told Albertans that they have no rights, just privileges subject to the UCP's whims by using the not withstanding clause twice. Where's the pushback beyond talk? Smith is trying to normalize its use, and contribute to stripping our rights federally, straight from the playbook down south. Poilievre literally just said he'd use it.

We're in an uncertain time and suffering at the whims of an American madman, and AB has sided with him. I think it's safe to say YOU haven't, and honestly most Albertans haven't, but your gov't has.

We live in a democracy, and like it or not, we're defined by our gov'ts. The majority may not have voted for Danielle Smith's UCP, but the majority absolutely did not vote to stop it.

Ya gotta understand, you live in the most American province in a time when America just started a trade war with us and threatened annexation.

For fuck's sake you guys are up for a referendum next year to separate which could lead to the destruction of both AB and Canada. Honestly, I think there's a good chance it'll pass simply due to voter apathy. We're in a threatened country, and even within our country, Alberta is threatening it.

Alberta has made it clear, maybe not you or yours, but Alberta has made it clear it doesn't want Canada. I lived in AB for over a decade, and it's full of good people. But good people mean nothing when they do nothing.

[–] BlackAura@lemmy.world 1 points 53 minutes ago

Where's the pusbback beyond talk?

https://operationtotalrecall.ca/

Someone made a list of all the MLAs who voted in favor of forcing the teachers back. Some are in various processes like they are at the Gathering Signatures point for Demetrios Nicolaides.

An article on it here:

https://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/recall-efforts-targeting-ucp-mlas-momentum-notwithstanding-clause

In fact Elections Alberta asked for additional funding and the UCP blocked it.

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/politics/elections-alberta-urges-government-to-reconsider-13-5-million-funding-request-for-recall-petitions-and-citizen-initiatives

[–] Binzy_Boi@piefed.ca 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

The separation referendum is being stalled by a referendum to stay within Canada, where the petition to start it has already received enough signatures to start the referendum at 456K signatures.

Polling for separation is laughably low. This is not something that will happen, and not something legally feasible because of Treaty rights, and other numerous legal barriers. Smith herself has admitted she herself does not support separation, but has felt backed into a corner by her base as she fears a party split handing the NDP a win next election cycle more than she does the referendum succeeding, as she sees the former as a far more likely scenario. This can already be seen with the variety of right-wing parties in Alberta as opposed to the province's left-wing being much more unified behind one party. Basically all this is an issue that could solved by implementing proportional representation in the province.

The pushback is currently being coordinated, it has only been a week since the back-to-work order, I personally feel it is way too early to judge a lack of action, but regardless students have been pushing back in the meantime the labour movement sorts things out on their end.

I do appreciate being distinguished as an individual and not as a part of the government or the worst of the crowd that voted them in.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 1 points 12 minutes ago* (last edited 11 minutes ago)

The silly bitch is the one handing the election to the NDP on a silver platter with her ridiculous posturing over education and social conservatism bullshit. If she acted like a statesman, she wouldn't be facing this prospect.

She's just padding her nest and looking for the soft landing when she gets ejected.

[–] Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago

It stalled nothing. If either got enough votes it would go to referendum, they just beat the separatists to the punch to turn the question into a positive (from our perspective) from a negative. If neither got enough votes it wouldn't go to referendum.

The danger now is that the positive got enough sigs, almost 200k more than necessary, that I'm worried Albertans will become complacent as Canadians do, and figure "it got so many votes it won't pass so why bother". Just. Like. Brexit.

We've literally seen this play out less than ten years ago. Don't let your guard down, this isn't about the number of people who want to separate, it's about using the apathy of the majority.

Also, if you believe Smith is only trying to 'placate' her base and you believe her, wake the fuck up.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

So you're hating on all of us because one person generalized? Curious.

[–] TonyOstrich@lemmy.world 1 points 55 minutes ago

I have absolutely no stake in this, but that's not how I read it.

They are stating it's something they are encountering with some frequency and then they are giving a concrete example and analysis to hopefully illustrate what they are experiencing.

I'm sure you are familiar with the experience of being frustrated with someone's behavior or actions, but then have a hard time coming up with more than a couple of examples when prompted.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I’m in an Albertan union. WTF is taking so long with this general strike? Our union voted in favour, I don’t know the percentage, and a friend of mine told me their union voted 93% in favour of it.

[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 9 points 6 hours ago

Don't have much to add but sorry people were dicks to you and Albertans as a whole.

Left, Right, I think everyone is just so used to demonizing those with whom we disagree that folks lose sight that nowhere is a monolith and even the most Conservative province still has a huge number of Progressives (and vice versa.)

Thanks for pointing it out though. I definitely will casually drop a "fucking Alberta" when Smith starts shit and forget how that sounds to the million(s?) who don't support her.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 14 points 7 hours ago

Not the government, not UCP voters, but Albertans.

Sorry, I lived too many years in Alberta to distinguish between how Alberta treats the rest of Canada, and how Albertans treat the rest of Canada. Y'all got a cultural problem out there, and I was subjected to it for the better part of a decade.

[–] GrindingGears@lemmy.ca 23 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I AM an Albertan, and I have a hate boner for Albertans. The hate is 100% brought on by ourselves, and 100% deserved. The absolute manure that spills out of our legislature on a daily basis is embarrassing, and what is even more embarrassing is that a majority of Albertans keep voting for it, over and over. Don't want the world to see you as inbred Maple MAGA hillbillies? Maybe quit acting like inbred Maple MAGA hillbillies then. Simple as.

[–] Binzy_Boi@piefed.ca 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Alright, so despite it being clear that you specifically are against this, but still have a single minor tidbit of information I disagree with, it's then fine for me to call you a fucking idiot because "this is brought on by ourselves", right?

Clearly people have the ability to distinguish the "good" Albertan if they're literally out here asking to be called names, so why do they have a hard time distinguishing that I'm not someone who supports the stuff happening here when I'm clearly in support of unions by the nature of my comments, my profile description states I have certain instances blocked for transphobia, and my linkstack is on an instance that's queer-friendly based on the domain name alone?

Because we all know how much Conservatives and the UCP support... reads notes, unions, trans people, and the marginalised.

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago

In BC, Rustad makes Smith look smart and diplomatic. Yet the last election had these mouth breathers losing by a handful of votes.

Foreign influence, social media, lies damn lies, and the failure to implement media literacy in schools in the 1990s led us to this. Well, add the flapping tatters of colonial settler ideology as a base layer, I guess.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 11 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I am Ontarioian and i have a hate boner for my fellow Ontarioians repeatedly voting in Doug Ford, a lying populist politician who thrives on corruption. We're all in this together. The actions of the voters don't always represent the actions or sentiment of the entire province. Vote for voting reform to have the people better represented by our premiers.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

All true but Ford doesn't regularly threaten the rest of Canada. I don't recall him giving a laundry list of conditions to the federal government, or else. I don't think he's threatened Canadian unity over the Ontario auto sector for example. Only one Canadian premier went to make photo ops with Trump and it wasn't Ford. Ontario does look stupid for electing Ford three times in a row, but I don't think we appear antagonistic towards the rest of Canada.

[–] GameGod@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago

This guy Ontarioiates

[–] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 21 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

I think when most people say "Albertans" or "people from Alberta" (etc.) they mean "the democratic majority of people from Alberta", or "the stereotype of the right-wing Albertan". It's easier than saying "the majority of Albertans... " or "the stereotypical truck-nutting coal-rolling Albertan..."

I'm not saying it's right, but people do it all the time. Let me rephrase: many people have done it and it often happens. Even you said "people here have a hate bone for Albertans" because some percentage of people upvoted a post saying Albertans are pussies and a further (smaller) percentage downvoted your response.

I guess my advice would be to accept that they're "on your side" and not attacking you personally. But I know that's not easy. I have my own things I am (or was) a part of that get "hated" as a whole, so I know what it feels like to read those comments. (aka, not all programmers use AI to write their code, and even for ones that do, they don't necessarily want to.) And I can't say I've ever gotten past it - sometimes it's easier than others. But, I hope what I'm saying might help you.

Also, in general on upvote/downvote forums, I find it very easy to get a few downvotes for saying anything. Responding to explain why they're wrong to say that and that you're "one of the good ones" will always, always, get a bunch of downvotes. It doesn't matter what you're talking about.

[–] runsmooth@kopitalk.net 5 points 8 hours ago

Building on your comments, I just want to point out that Alberta's ridings need to be adjusted. At this point the regions are totally overweight against the cities, and they don't account for population growth. Those of us not in the democratic majority are already painfully aware that we're all probably being gated by the UCP, the very same party that has probably been captured or compromised.

Perhaps Canadians feel like we should be able to protect our house. But also understand we're fighting against people who have the powers of government, and are literally barring the doors shut behind them as best they can.

We are fighting a siege out here, and I've said as much elsewhere.

There's the recent news about the Auditor General getting canned. Plus the Unions pushing Operation Total Recall have Elections Alberta asking for more funding, and the UCP is basically slow dripping the money needed to slow the public backlash their party is experiencing.

https://kopitalk.net/post/32582?sort=new

[–] Binzy_Boi@piefed.ca -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I'd agree if my intelligence wasn't insulted with people near immediately saying "oh, you're just stupid because you're Albertan" when they disagree with me because of a minor comment about tariffs.

[–] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Alright, so because of what you just said, I went back to look at the thread you posted again... and, I tried to read through your responses and what was said to you... and tbh, I wouldn't really have your back.

I don't see where anyone is specifically "calling you stupid because you're Albertan." I might have missed it though, I found it to be a really annoying read from both sides and mostly skimmed it. That said, you seem to be taking people talking shit about the "majority of Albertans" and "conservative Albertans outside Calgary and Edmonton" as a direct insult. You seem to be trying to distance yourself from that current majority, so I'm not sure why you're taking it as an insult. They're insulting the people from which you're trying to distance yourself (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) so why are you insulted by it?

Also, you're responding emotionally and then claiming you're just giving facts, and then you're completely discounting what everyone else says as insults, even when there's actual substantive arguments (but unfortunately also insults) just because they're wrong/you disagree. That's not how debate works. Just because they're wrong/you disagree, you can't just discount what they've said completely. Then you're responding to insults and blanket statements with insults and blanket statements. I'm sorry, but you're just not going to get a lot of sympathy by doing that.

Saying that (quoted loosely) "the rest of the country just shuts its brain off and says Albertans are stupid Conservatives" is not any better than the people you're arguing with saying Albertans are pussies or that it's a joke province.

You're coming in angry, responding with clear emotion, and antagonizing people by insulting everyone in the country, then getting upset when you get downvoted. I'm not sure you're going about this argument in the best manner possible.

[–] Binzy_Boi@piefed.ca 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Except I am giving facts? The guy said that the NDP was in control of the province for a "long time" before Lougheed was premier. The Alberta NDP never held government before 2015, the Social Credit Party was the ruling party in Alberta for nearly 40 years before Lougheed was premier. This is something that can be easily found through a Google search. He also claimed that Lougheed ran on diversifying the economy, and did nothing to do so afterwards, which is also provably false. The Heritage Fund was founded by Lougheed's government to save money for investment in sectors, and it was following premiers that squandered that fund to the infamy it holds today.

So in the midst of implying my intelligence is lacking by stating that the schoolboards here have somehow failed me because I made a simple comment he disagrees with, he also spouts outright misinformation. I gave facts. I gave facts about the current state of affairs in regards to the teacher's strike in response to someone falsely accusing people here of doing nothing, followed up with my opinion on what can be done, and then was greeted by further insults by someone who was blanketing Conservative views on me from the start for the very nature of where I'm from because they met some people that hold those beliefs.

Me saying "the rest of country turns it's brain off", may have been a little more loaded than I realised, I will take accountability for that, honest mistake on my part.

[–] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago

Except I am giving facts?

I'm not saying you're not giving any facts. I'm saying you're also loading you're arguments with emotion and insults. That's the problem. You're upset that they are loading their arguments with insults, but you're doing the same.

You're being very selective with which parts of other people's comments you're responding to and taking offense to.

For example, you're upset that the person who said that the NDP was in control etc. etc. was getting up voted, but that specific comment is (currently) in the the negative. But you're still fixated on it. Their other comment which was upvoted was about the tariffs and I guess something that you're taking as an insult about your intelligence. I didn't read it that way originally, but I can see how you might interpret it that way. It's hard to say if people are up voting the tariff part or the insult. In any case, you're very fixated on that and blaming a hell of a lot of other people for it making you feel that way.

And I'll point out that there was another person you were arguing with who made a whole bunch of points, offered what they considered a solution, and finished with a dumb insult. You ignored everything but the insult and said they weren't offering any arguments or solutions. (this one sorry not sure how to link comments properly.)

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 hours ago

Edmonton's cool. Calgary's aight. But I'll tell you that it's Smith and the UCP who are the ones that pretend they represent the opinion of all Albertans instead of the oil coal and gas lobby. And sure, many people don't agree with the fact that she's taking big government steps to prevent free-market renewables from taking hold or allow the tech industry to prosper and to use the support of a neighbouring city to put mining residue into other people's water. But the fact that this is happening under the Alberta populace's watch reflects poorly on them.

So anyway. Nothing against you personally, but if you want a better name for your home province than Texas-north, then you have to collectively earn it. Sign that petition thing (done), organize around a general strike (in preparation) and topple the UCP government (in election or via recall petitions).

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 24 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Québec: "Première fois?"

[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 hours ago

And as Quebec would say, 50% + 1 is all you need to be declared a shitty province.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 21 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (7 children)

I think that a big part of the problem is that many of the people who publicly identify as Albertans are loud mouthed, unnecessarily huge transsexual pick up truck driving, toxicly masculine, "alpha male", racist, separatist, "mah rights" spewing sovereign citizen, anti-vax tantrumist maple MAGAts.

I love the rest of you but fuck those guys.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (3 children)

Is there a lot of people like that identifying as Albertan, or do you identify people doing that IRL as Albertan, which would be a self-fulfilling prophecy?

Like, those guys exist and are a highly visible small minority here, but I have a strong feeling Ontarian Doug Ford voters do similar things.

As an aside, have you met Alberta separatists living outside of Alberta? I can actually believe they'd be that dumb and oblivious to irony, but damn. (Again IRL, rage bait doesn't count)

[–] GrindingGears@lemmy.ca 8 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I feel like an alien in Alberta. I'm surrounded by insanity. Mostly Take Back Albertans too, like the real insane shit. My neighbor thinks that because we don't prey in schools anymore this is why children are hellions. All the world's problems start with us not praying in schools, makes the kids go gay. I'm not even making this up. I've gotten quite adept at ninja rolling through the bushes to avoid run-ins with them.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 8 hours ago

FWIW your neighbor is unusual. Alberta is actually the second most atheist province. Even the chuddery tends to be the sleazy strip club kind, as opposed to religious.

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I said somewhere else that I live in rural eastern Ontario and I'm surrounded by maple MAGA dumbth.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 8 hours ago

Yeah, exactly.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

You do see some of that in Ontario too, but it's not a major political force here in the same way as Alberta. In Ontario their political will is more offset by the NDP, leaving the Conservatives and Liberals to battle for centrists in the middle.

In Alberta it seems that no one will vote Liberal, leaving the NDP to battle it out with the Conservatives, which mean that most of the time the Cons can just count on the centrist swing votes and pander to their base to win.

I think Alberta seems a lot more dogmatic to the rest of the country mostly because they have only elected PC governments despite their massive failings, until the brief fling with the NDP after decades and decades of mismanagement.

That being said, a lot of the recent extremism in Alberta has to do with that aide to Danielle Smith. She's a huge pile of crap who originally pushed Doug Ford to be a lot more extreme and divisive, and once they fell out she went to D Smith and D Ford mellowed out somewhat.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

The NDP basically is the Liberal party here. It's headed by Nenshi, who historically wouldn't commit to a side between conservatives and liberals, and they're thinking about dropping the name entirely. Forget about the labels and federal politics.

You have to remember that before the 40 year Conservative dynasty there was a 40 year Social Credit dynasty. The elections weren't contested, and brand loyalty especially in rural areas is still insane. Post-Notley everything is new and different, and crazy promises about having our cake and eating it too are fueling Danielle Smith's populist movement, which has hollowed out the UCP.

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 13 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I live in northern BC and there are a lot of those types around here.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 10 points 10 hours ago

I live in rural Ontario. Same here. There are dumbth everywhere.

[–] datavoid@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 hours ago

Southern BC too!

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[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 13 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It's like the old joke about lawyers: it's just 90% who make the other 10% look bad.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 1 points 24 minutes ago

Albertans are statistically more likely to vote for a provincial NDP candidate than a British Columbian is.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 9 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

It's worth remembering that dividing the country and making us hate each other inherently leads to polarization, which inherently leads to completely unaligned parties succeeding each other which leads to wild amounts of waste and inefficiency from government as it swings back and forth between extremely different agendas.

There is a reason that our geopolitical enemies spend billions on campaigns to try and create division and hate. It truly does weaken us as a country.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

It's also worth remembering that the divisions we're dealing with now were not brought on by my neighbours or myself. There's a shit ton of rich assholes out there who understand that if they don't manipulate the rabble (us) to hate each other, we'll remember we're supposed to be forming posses to take care of them.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 10 hours ago

Everybody loves a scapegoat.

[–] FlareHeart@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 hours ago

I don't hate all Albertans if it makes you feel any better.

I think Danielle Smith and her UCP is the problem, but I know that when tensions get high, some overly broad generalizations get made because in order for Danielle to be in power there must have been at least enough people that agree with her to vote for her.

I don't think ALL Albertans are a problem, just the ones that think like her.

[–] veeesix@lemmy.ca 9 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I think a lot more people here are more sympathetic for Albertans than we’re given credit for. We all watched the run-up to the Battle River-Crowfoot federal by-election, and can clearly see there are lots of people that care for their neighbours and are working hard to break the mould.

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