It's easy to forget that Trump won the popular vote, and that this is his second term.
America has a cruel president because Americans are cruel. That's what they want.
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He didn't win the popular vote the first time. He lost by 3 million votes, but a Democrat has to win by a lot more than that because of the handicap set up by Republicans to favour Republicans. He lost by 8 million to Biden and that was enough for a Democrat to be appointed by the "Electoral College".
George W. Bush also lost the popular vote in 2000, but was appointed.
I don't know if Trump actually won the popular vote in 2024. At this point it doesn't really matter. The rich and powerful are just going to appoint who they want, they don't give a fuck what the people vote for. The popular vote is an opinion at best, and it's not considered. Americans don't elect presidents, the ruling elite does.
I heard a take today that it's a purposeful provocation, in an attempt to elicit the ability to use martial law, I assume to keep himself in power. He needs the people to revolt, with violence. I dunno what I think about it.
Honestly though, anyone surprised by this is a fucking idiot. This was in the plan that they wrote and made publicly available years ago. You are not allowed to be surprised by this.
It's too easy to blame those who voted for Trump. Instead blame the millions who didn't vote against him. Those who sat by and did nothing hoping the collective good would win. And then when it didn't, they wash their hands and say "you can't blame me, I didn't vote for that monster." Thing is, they were hedging their bet. They didn't care who won. They figured, no matter who won, any time anything bad happened, they could say "well I didn't vote for the president, don't blame me."
Blame those who didn't vote. Blame those who were fooled into voting for a third party, dividing the progressive and human rights voters. There are two kinds of people: those who voted against Trump (cast a vote for Harris) and those who voted for Trump (everyone else). They all own an equal share of the blame. And if their benefits are cut, or those of people they care about, I can't muster a lick of sympathy for them. This is what they voted for.
And sure, the president isn't voted by the people but rather appointed by the powerful, but I'm pretty sure if the people voted 2:1 or some other overwhelming amount, they would have appointed the winner of that vote. Only when it's close do they pick the one they actually want, even if he loses the popular vote (George W. Bush, Trump the first time).
Isn't a vote for Trump still worse effect-wise than a third-party vote or not voting?
Lickspittles
The cruelty is not a bug, its a feature.
They’re just surprised that the hatred they voted for is affecting them too
These respondents were self-selected Guardian readers. Doubt many voted for Trump.
Yeah that's what kept coming to mind: All these people are The Guardian readers so they probably already dislike Trump and likely blame him for this loss of benefits.
I would have liked to see The Guardian interview actual Trump voters to see what they feel about things.
There does seem to be a sentiment of wanting food stamps gone, because that's a program abused by non whites and immigrants, but SNAP must remain because they depend on it. Then being shocked it's the same thing and it's all gone now. Same with Obamacare and ACA.
My ex-wife turned our baby sitter onto the ACA and she was ecstatic! "At least it isn't that damned Obamacare!" Wife: "It's the same thing." Wish I had been there to see her face.
People that are dumbfounded just haven’t been paying attention.
And were privileged enough to only pay attention now
This is actually a huge part of the issue. While the move hurts white participants as well, proportionally it's much lower.
White people will largely shut up if they witness violence because they do not want to alter their racial privileges (and in doing so they avoid class solidarity).
Yes, and we will be dumbfounded how quickly they forget.
Hard to forget when you can’t eat.
They’ll forget who was at fault and blame the dems while giving the fascists a free pass.
Bingo.
On the way up to the next election (ha, if that ever happens) the Nazis will twist it that it all happened due to the shutdown, which was definitely not their fault. The others were the ones who wouldn't agree to things.
Whilst the dumb-ocrats will just blissfully bumble along not defending themselves, and then wonder why they have lost to the Nazis once again.
Gotta kill’em all.
Imagine, army troops guarding grocery store exits.
Imagine being those fascist simps with all those guns and you’re like “yes, preventing the wrong people from getting food is my purpose”
As is tradition.
"Dumbfounded by the cruelty" the cruelty is the point. It is infuriating to watch these people run over their own toes over and over, then ask without any sense of curiosity or desire to understand "why can't I walk anymore?" I don't think they want to know. I think it's easier to pretend that this is all too difficult and complex for them to understand than it is to come to grips with the reality that, to borrow industry lingo, "shit's fucked".
If they're truly dumbfounded by all this, then they're so braindead that they very likely voted for it. No sympathy at all.
No sympathy at all.
And the oroboros of American politics continues it's spiral.
"Americans can't see nose in front of own faces"
It's weird they keep generalizing... 63 percent of Americans right now disapprove of Trump.
Tell it like it is: Conservative idiots are dumb and can't understand whats going on.
And the rest of the country just bends over.