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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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INFO

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Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

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Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 13 hours ago

Who is the person in black, with a mask, and vest, getting the close up photos / video at about 1:20?

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 75 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

@dbtng@eviltoast.org you previously asserted that the current regime is not fascist. Do you still stand by that statement?

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 40 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Damn, I love it. You called out 4-5 boot lickers in this thread alone!

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 25 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

My list is longer but I got rate limited and I don’t wanna get banned for spam.

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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 72 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

@Letsdothisok@lemmy.world about a year ago, you claimed that comparing the current US dictatorship to the Nazi regime was a “ridiculous comparison”. Do you still stand by that, or do you finally see the parallels?

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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 68 points 18 hours ago (33 children)

@MacNCheezus@lemmy.today you have previously stated that “the majority of [people arrested by ICE] do have a criminal history”. Do you still stand by that statement?

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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 61 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

@DonutsRMeh@lemmy.world you have previously defended ICE as just arresting the illegals. How do you explain this?

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 12 points 14 hours ago
[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 20 points 17 hours ago

You beautiful bastard. Keep up the good work.

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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 56 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

@Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com you have previously stated that ICE agents are “just like you and I” and that they will “actually save the country”. Do you still stand by that statement?

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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 54 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

@OceanSoap@lemmy.ml you have previously stated that it is completely OK for ICE agents to hide their identities. Do you still stand by that statement?

[–] fritobugger2017@lemmy.world 16 points 17 hours ago

Big props to you and your excellent work here!

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 100 points 21 hours ago (9 children)

What the actual fuck are they doing? They caused that accident. I hope this woman sues the living shit out of them.

[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 16 points 16 hours ago

Looks like vehicular assault to me. Not an accident.

[–] zd9@lemmy.world 67 points 20 hours ago (12 children)

When this is all over, these fascist goons will face justice for their actions. There are accounts of every single action, and the next United States Justice Department will not handle it lightly.

We fucked up by not finishing off the Confederacy in Reconstruction, but in the wise words of the honorable George W. Bush: “There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me twi— you can't get fooled again.”

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Funny that you think the brownshirts will face any consequences. You mention Bush ironically, but he's the living example: a war criminal who never faced any consequences from his actions.

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[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 12 points 16 hours ago

If I were this optimistic, I'd be the happiest motherfucker on earth.

Unless we show up and start fucking these people up, we're just going to be commenting on these videos until that's illegal and we get scared of that too.

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[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 21 points 17 hours ago

crash. it's called a crash. there was nothing accidental about it.

[–] CubitOom 36 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

Americans can not sue federal "agents" according to US legal precedent and current interpretations of Section 1983

5 Words to Fix ICE [LegalEagle]

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[–] ravenaspiring@sh.itjust.works 22 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Is there any place videos like this, and incidents like this are being archive for future legal follow up that anyone is aware of?

[–] CubitOom 23 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

Not sure. I'm putting everything on my Mastodon for now till I find a good place to put them.

Although I'm missing things for sure.

[–] HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world 10 points 16 hours ago

You're doing the lords work.

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[–] dumbass@aussie.zone 114 points 21 hours ago (6 children)

Nazi America working hard on bringing the fourth Reich into reality.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 78 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (4 children)

The line I've seen repeatedly is that White America is getting to see how African Americans and Latino migrants have been living since The War On Crime started.

Every day, we get to see another Rodney King or George Floyd. Wave after wave of police acting with utter impunity, doing unspeakable violence, while liberal leadership throws up it's hands or turns a blind eye.

FFS, this was in Chicago. Blatantly illegal, breaking a couple dozen state laws. The mayor, the governor, the CPD, the local prosecutors and sheriffs... where the fuck are they?

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 82 points 21 hours ago

The Department of Homeland Security later released a statement claiming that Figueroa was at fault, saying “she crashed into an unmarked government vehicle and violently resisted arrest, injuring two officers.”

Figueroa was released the same day a few hours later without charges.

Get this evidence in front of Judge Ellis and start them contempt hearings.

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 65 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

"The Department of Homeland Security released a statement claiming that Figueroa was at fault, saying “she crashed into an unmarked government vehicle and violently resisted arrest, injuring two officers."

[–] CubitOom 79 points 21 hours ago

Remember, when a car suddenly cuts into your lane and hits your car, then several masked men pointing guns and wearing camouflage pour out, and then they violently drag you out of the car on to the floor and pin you down. Your duty is to say "Thank you for your service, please tread on me."

If you don't, the terrorists win.

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[–] pinheadednightmare@lemmy.world 37 points 20 hours ago (6 children)

If you see this and can say that any part of this video is ok…. You can go fuck yourself.

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[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 24 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Seriously dangerous to drive with ICE in the road

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[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 21 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

As tragic and horrible as this is, those guys look like 12 years olds playing cops and robbers. Their body language screams amateur.

I hope life fucks them hard and fast in the ass. Evil pricks.

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 12 points 17 hours ago

It takes 4 full grown man-children (in full military surplus kit) with 6 guns between them to kidnap one ~130lb woman. And at a snails pace too. They have to realize how fucking stupid they look...

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[–] ElJefe@lemmy.ca 35 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Fuck these cowardly pricks. 🖕FUCK ICE🖕

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[–] ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Why is ICE using expensive Jeep Wagoneers to crash into people?

[–] CubitOom 17 points 17 hours ago

Why are these "agents" walking out of their car with their guns drawn?

[–] mean_bean279@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

Well it’s a Stelantis product, so the MSRP might look expensive, but they’ll give you 20k off if you just say “maybe I’ll look elsewhere.”

Also, given its reliability… putting it down in an accident so quickly is for the best.

Also fuck these SS soldiers.

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