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[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 22 points 13 hours ago (9 children)

This looks small enough to be installed within the wheel hub itself. Imagine a car with four motors, one inside each wheel. The entire floor pan could just be one thin battery, and everything above it could be passenger and storage space.

[–] lemming741@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (10 children)

Hub motors are a party trick. They will never reach mass market in a car.

[–] kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Imagine on a motorcycle.... Probably nonstop wheely 🤣

[–] lemming741@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

They make sense for scooters, bikes, and other low speed or two wheel personal transport. For anything with an actual suspension (designed for a highway) there is just too much competition for space with brakes and suspension linkage. The unsprung weight, exposed high voltage cabling subject to road debris and accidents are problems too. And what to do hub motors really gain you?

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Simplicity, no transmission. As to unsprung weight, designs like these have a ridiculous power density, so add only very little. Advanced suspensions are active anyway, so just part of the wheel robot.

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[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 hours ago

This is already pretty close to how many EVs are designed.

[–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world -4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Except for the fact that that much power would need massive batteries. So your thin small battery would be dead the first time you mashed the peddle to the floor

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[–] Naz@sh.itjust.works 20 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

My eScooter weighs 42 pounds.

A 28 pound motor that's 750 kW?

Holy fuck.

That's power density straight out of science fiction

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[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

"YASA" sounds like a mashup between YMCA and NASA. Even their logo looks like the Y's.

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago

YMCA NASA colab would've been lit though

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 65 points 18 hours ago (8 children)

Had an ex-friend who was a motorhead arguing that electric motors will never beat ICE because they lack comparable torque. Look, I'm no mechanic, but I never got my head around that.

"You mean they don't have enough torque to run a US destroyer?! Someone should call the Navy."

Seriously, if you've played with even a tiny electric motor, provide DC, it goes, instantly. What could he have possibly been trying to say?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 18 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

What could he have possibly been trying to say?

I mean, the general appeal of ICE engines is the fuel, not the engine. Gasoline is generally more energy dense than lithium.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Nah, his complaint was lack of torque. Very strange, never got it. Figured he was repeating fossil fuel propaganda. But he was a motorhead!

And yes, energy density is the thing no one talks about when raging against fossil fuels. A gallon of refined gasoline packs insane energy. I've run my 5-gallon, crappy Harbor Freight generator all night into the morning, powering the camp, heaters and all, never came close to emptying it. Contrast that with a monster LIPO4 battery that died in 48-hours only powering LED lights. (Gotta admit, something weird happened there.)

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[–] kalkulat@lemmy.world 57 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I think he was trying to admit he doesn't know shit about electric motors.

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[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 14 points 15 hours ago

"EVs lack comparable torque to ICE" - guy in my rearview mirror

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 26 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

My parents had an original Prius and it was a weedy little car that made those two hippies really happy. If that was his only experience with electric cars I can see why he’d think that.

But the new ones are fucking rockets. I just don’t understand why they need all that. Can they make a cheaper one that’s got 300 horsepower?

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 11 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

. I just don’t understand why they need all that.

Power sells, they can give that insane 0-60 sprint for very low cost, so it gets people to buy their product instead of a 6 liter V8.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I guess I’m really lamenting the death of the shitbox econo car.

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 3 points 11 hours ago

Usually the electric cars with a larger motor are also more efficient, since the motor does not have to run near its peak all the time.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I put my hybrid into sport mode when I actually need the acceleration, like quick highway merges or cramped city turns in traffic. If I kept it in eco mode like I normally do, or even just normal mode, the acceleration would be limited and I'd either be unable to merge or would cause an accident.

Yeah drivers in my area are shitty, I know. Unfortunately I can't flip a switch and change their behavior.

Also sometimes it's just plain fun to go zoom (when safe, obviously).

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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 12 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

He was trying to say that he spent too much time in a media bubble disconnected from reality.

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[–] Geobloke@aussie.zone 2 points 11 hours ago

Dunno, I feel every rev head knew about that evs have no torque curve and plenty of it. The concern to me head always been weight and range when on track. EVs are great in straight line, but have a lot more momentum in corners. They generally have narrower tires as well, which is great for range, but poor for grip

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 107 points 21 hours ago (14 children)

Lol:

The new YASA axial flux motor weighs just 28 pounds, or about the same as a small dog.

However, it delivers a jaw-dropping 750 kilowatts of power, which is the equivalent of 1,005 horsepower.

I feel like we'd need peak horsepower output of a small dog to truly understand this.

[–] DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works 61 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

If it's a Corgi, I would estimate the power output at .1 horsepower max. But if it's a small dog the size of a large dog, then that's something entirely different.

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[–] thefactremains@lemmy.world 24 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (25 children)

A dog's power output comes from its muscle mass, which for a healthy dog is about 45% of its total body weight. This gives our 28-pound dog roughly 12.57 lbs (or 5.7 kg) of muscle.

Studies of animal muscle show that the peak power output of vertebrate muscle tissue during a short, explosive burst (like a jump or the start of a sprint) is around 100 to 200 watts per kilogram of muscle.

Now we can estimate the dog's peak power:

  • Low estimate: 5.7 kg of muscle x 100 W/kg = 570 watts
  • High estimate: 5.7 kg of muscle x 200 W/kg = 1140 watts

Converting these figures to horsepower (1 horsepower = 746 watts):

  • Low estimate: 570 W / 746 ≈ 0.76 horsepower
  • High estimate: 1140 W / 746 ≈ 1.5 horsepower

So, a small 28-pound dog might be able to generate a peak power of around 0.75 to 1.5 horsepower for a very brief moment.

So this YASA motor is somewhere between 670 and 1,340 times more powerful than the dog it's being compared to in weight. That's some jaw-dropping power output.

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 28 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

Ah good thing the batteries are not the heavy part of the system otherwise this would be awkward.

[–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 18 hours ago (10 children)

This motor weighs 12.7 kilograms and has 1000hp. How much does a comparable motor weigh?

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[–] shininghero@pawb.social 32 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

I wonder if we'll ever get enough standardization across EVs so people can start doing the electric equivalent of an LS swap.
I could see this being done on a Slate truck, along with an auxiliary EV battery bolted in the back.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 21 hours ago (8 children)

It's more about the batteries than the motor. You can make a motor that sucks down as much power as you want. The battery can't necessarily provide that without damage.

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 14 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Once I figured out it was an axial flux prototype motor this whole article made sense.

[–] Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world 18 points 21 hours ago (23 children)
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[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 4 points 15 hours ago (2 children)
[–] cman6@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Ah happy days. I've not heard PMPO in so long!

[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Car engines, for probably the past 100 years, have always been advertised based on their peak power rating, not what they can produce continuously. Cars are not designed to have their accelerator peddles floored for hours on end, nor is this even possible to do, as you'd eventually hit a curve and need to slow down.

This is especially the case for high performance vehicles, which usually have more demanding maintenance requirements just from normal operation, let alone from being abused like that.

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